god damn !!

[OverAllComa]

Originally Posted by Ghost-CAVy

doesnt matter if you think the LD9 does better when its exposed to parts...its not all about parts in some cases...but if your just going to tell me that the 2.4 is automatically better then a 2.2 cuz what...its displacement is higher by .2L ?...and it doesnt matter if its DOHC or SOHC cuz there are sohc's that kick the shit out of dohc...its about fine tuning the engine..a 2001 .celica GTS has a stock horse power of 130 but can kick the crap and then some out of a cavalier Z24 which comes with 140-150...so obviously horse power isnt a factor...2.2 when taken care of will have more potential then 2.4 no matter...so if your going to talk to someone who knows how to tune a car and actually came out with a 2.2 thats faster then a 2.4 with modifications done to it and your just gonna tell them it reacts better when you put parts in and that comment prolly came from someone who prolly doesnt even put there own parts in then to that person..you are a noob

Who said anything about SOHC...I really hope you're not implying that a 2.2 is a SOHC, because if so, you should be shot and left for dead in the street.

I'm saying the 2.4 is better because it flows better, it runs smoother, it revs higher and is all around a better motor than a pushrod. Yes, a 2.2 CAN be made fast, but it requires a lot more work and a lot more funds than it would take to make a 2.4 achieve the same power.

Congrats on knowing a Celica's specs, but it's totally irrelevant to the question at hand. A stock 2.4 will outrun a stock 2.2. The same mods on a 2.4 will outrun the same mods on a 2.2. It's a fact of life. BTW, there's a reason they switched to the 1.8 DOHC in the GTS, and also stop quoting Celica specs unless you plan on getting the HP ratings right, it's seriously insulting.

Besides, the only way you'll get a 2.2 into the high numbers is with boost unless you're interested in serious funds. With that in mind, I'm sure a "guy who tunes his car" would know which would perform better under a boost setup, especially with a turbo, a OHV or a DOHC.

Listen close, toolbag. Yes a 2.2 can be made faster than a 2.4, and yes a 2.4 can be made faster than a 2.2. 2.4 beats 2.2, stock. 2.4 beats 2.2 when they have the same mods. The Twin Cam also has more cheap potential with the use of simple W41 or High Output part swaps and, of course, factory support with the use of the GM Eaton Supercharger. The 2.2 cannot compare, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be modded. If it's what you dig, go for it, just don't expect the same returns for the same dollar value that you get out of the 2.4.

[Ghost-CAVy]

tool bag ?...up yours buddy...your like everyone else when someone tells you that higher numbers means better results yes the 2.4 is better then the 2.2 stock but thats only because the 2.4 is tuned for sport performance and the 2.2 is tuned down for family use and better gas consumption, thats why the z24 comes with 16 inch rims and a better suspension..cuz its a car that was designed for kid at heart and the normal 2.2 cavalier comes in 4 door...if you tune the car computer spec wise it has the same potential as the 2.4...ohv and dohc dont really make a difference...one isnt better then the other..they just do the job differently from each other with the same answer...i dont care what anybody says about 2.4 being better..ive got a computer programmer and when i bought my cav it came with 115 horse...after tuning it it dyno'd at 152 horse...you wanna call me a toolbag at least use some common sense that all vehicle makes fine tune their engines for the use that they are going to be put thru...1.8L celica GT comes with 130 horse to the wheels and the vibe (which has the same VVTi engine) comes with 160 horse...celica still blows it out of the water..and the reason to that is not that the car is lighter...but the fact that the factory tunes to the engine for its application...i dont know where anyone got off that i started this thread to bash 2.4 dont get me wrong..i would have prefered to start out with it...but i didnt..i got a 2.2 and i tuned it to have pretty much the same specs...not exact..not better...pretty much the same, and it didnt cost me money...it cost me labor which i did myself...and when i switched...i stayed with the 2.2 and tuned that one the same way...and guess what...180 horse 210 torque N/A...that performance engine without amy modifications is better the modded z24's but i never said that if they bought the same performance engine but the LD9 that mine would still be better not a chance but you fuckers obviously dont know how to read and as soon as you see 2.2 faster the 2.4 you jump the fuckin gun...lay the fuck off and calm down...why would i sit here and bash cavs when i drive one myself and am working on it.

[OverAllComa]

I'd love to see those dyno sheets....seriously...they'd make me laugh.

[pre98zetec]

Originally Posted by Ghost-CAVy

...its ppl like you that only bolt shit onto their car and think itll go faster then a car that doesnt have it..

my cars bone stock, gts come with arouind 145-152whp stock.

[caviman69]

You got your GT and GTS mixed up buddy, and yes the celica is lighter every year of z24 is heavier than the celica. You might as well stop and not dig the hole any deeper, but thats just a suggestion.

[Classicrocjunkie]

This thread is cracking me up...
1) the 2.2 are not SOHC..they are OHV.
2) the 2.2 was in non-Z coupes
3) there are 2.4L sedan Z24's.

Might i suggest a larger shovel my friend? Because you are diggin one hell of a hole you're going to have fun trying to get yourself out of. I can continue to sit here and rip apart this thread, but there are other thins i can do besides listening to a bunch of kids bitch.

[Ghost-CAVy]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

This thread is cracking me up...
1) the 2.2 are not SOHC..they are OHV.
2) the 2.2 was in non-Z coupes
3) there are 2.4L sedan Z24's.

Might i suggest a larger shovel my friend? Because you are diggin one hell of a hole you're going to have fun trying to get yourself out of. I can continue to sit here and rip apart this thread, but there are other thins i can do besides listening to a bunch of kids bitch.

i dont understand where all this shit came from....i thought i could just post a thread about a new engine i bought for my car that i could put in easily cuz i had a 95 for a donor since i was swapping from an LN4 to an LN2 performance engine...i dont care is the Z24 is faster...i didnt fuckin want it..but no you guys gotta sit there and rip on it cuz you think that becuz you HAVE a Z24 that its better...what it sounds like is predujice against your own kind...what...Z24 owners are better then ppl that have 2.2L cavs..fuck man...i bought a performance engine and then added even more ontop of that...cat back...CAI...and rebuilt my tranny...i spent 7 fuckin grand fixing that car...yes if i had bought a LD9 it would be better then the LN2...but with all the extras i bought ontop..then its almost as if i had bought JUST the LD9 engine...and i dont need a crazy fast car..i dont race professionally...i made the car for car shows..so really if you all wanna rag on me for my decisions then really.... all of you...i never the performance LN2 was better then the performance LD9...learn to fuckin read...i said my car is just as fast (not faster) JUST AS FAST NOW, thats including ALL the work i did to it
performance LN2 (mine) performance LD9
CAI whatever it comes with
rebuilt tranny stock tranny
Cat back whatever exhaust
was on before

=JUST AS FAST

what hole...im sorry but in some cases...2.2 CAN come out on top over the 2.4L its not impossible...i know it might cost more then it would with a 2.4 but its still possible for a 2.2 to be better then a 2.4, by all means if a 2.2 and a 2.4 had exactly the same modifications done to it then the 2.4 would be faster no hands down...i never said other wise...i said that mine would outdo a 2.4 NOW...2.4 that most ppl have..shit like CAI exhaust headers...not a maxxed out 2.4 engine


so once again those who wanna rag on me for what choice i made on MY car , not any of yours MY car and want to put words in my mouth

[Classicrocjunkie]

ok then... well then show some pics of what you have done to your car..

[OverAllComa]

Oh yeah...I'd love to see some pics of that. That'd be hilarious.

Quck question about that, actually. Why is someone who's apparently built their motor up so great drooling over a relatively crappy and overpriced crate motor?

[Classicrocjunkie]

I have wet dreams over a 3800 Turbo charged swap.


.... some day.

[caviman69]

The poor kid never saw it comming, all he wanted to do is post about a moter swap guys. Why do you all like to make people cry.

[OverAllComa]

Life is defined through agony, pain, suffering, loss, etc. Read up on your Sartre, yo?

[01Cavy]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

I have wet dreams over a 3800 Turbo charged swap.


.... some day.

A dream of mine too!!!! But I think I will just save for a nice down payment on a cobalt ss supercharged or something with a little more power than this cavy, and with a manual transmission.

[Classicrocjunkie]

I alreay know my next car, but its not by my choice. But if somone wants to give me a free 03 PT cruiser limited loaded for free with only 14K on it i will have no objections. I got me a new daily driver so i can store the cavy.

[big dude1]

CRJ... you should do an engine swap... throw in an LD9 into your cavy... with the LD9 5 speed... that would be the shit... lol

...or just buy a Z24...