Nitrous.

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

that car has a cool looking intake setup, anyway, i think nitrous is ok to use, that's not to say I'd ever use it (unless i built an all out drag car). the higher combustion temps create more engine wear than a turbo or supercharger, anyone who want to lose their engine in a much shorter time can be my guest.

Your so right Beef, but if you set nitrous up right, which includes water/alky injection to keep the combustion chamber temps. down, keep your timing set right, you won't have any problems. I've been personaly been using it for over 15 years and have never lost a engine due to nitrous or for that matter had one wearout early because of it's use.
The big problem is people don't understand nitrous and give it a bad rap.
If it were possible (which it isn't) to mix gasoline and nitrous in the proper ratios we wouldn't need superchargers or turbo's as we'd have all the oxygen and gasoline our engine could handle without blowing. The power would only be limited by how strong the engine parts were.
The BIG plus for nitrous is 99.9% of the time your running without it, so only .1% of the time you under hi-power loads and the rest of the time your engine is just coasting. That isn't true with superchargers or turbo's. Your under load most of the time.
You think nitrous would have been used in aircraft if it was dangerious or distroyed the engine? I don't think so. Like everything in life, what we don't fully understand we tend to shy away from and try to avoid.
Study all you can find on Nitrous and become a expert on it and guess what? You'll be able to stay with the best of them for alot less money and have more to spend on suspension and your girl friend and your car well last longer than a flowblown supercharged or turbo'd car.
My agreement with Clint was kinda a joke. That car I was refuring to is a N/A 300ZX with a engine build to handle lots of power. Without spray has about 300HP, with spray 700+HP. So what I'm saying is something like that could be driven around normally on 300HP and when someone wanted to play, you'd be able to spank'em.
If you have any questions PM me and I'd be more than happy to send you to some webs that could give you some hard core facts about nitrous.

[curtis73]

Originally Posted by drewh4386

I just don't like it cause you can't legally use it in the street for any reason what so ever. That is why I think it is cheating. Come on guys, lets have a good old race WITHOUT button pressing?

Since when? Its legal in CA and some even carry a CARB EO number. Its legal in PA and LA. Not sure about other states, but its legal in the most strict state for emissions.

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by curtis73

Since when? Its legal in CA and some even carry a CARB EO number. Its legal in PA and LA. Not sure about other states, but its legal in the most strict state for emissions.

Since a while down here. You can have it, but you can't have it hooked up. OR else a ticket. Cops aren't as leaniant as they use to be down here.

and it is not for emmissions. We don't have them. Its just for street racing. Like our cat conv. rule "aslong as you don't get caught, you are ok.

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by drewh4386

Since a while down here. You can have it, but you can't have it hooked up. OR else a ticket. Cops aren't as leaniant as they use to be down here.

and it is not for emmissions. We don't have them. Its just for street racing. Like our cat conv. rule "aslong as you don't get caught, you are ok.

And what is the ticket for?? Take your car to someone who can test the emission with the spray on and record the readings and take that to court with you.
That's like getting a ticket for having Z rated tires on your car. There only good for hi-speed. Or removing the 150MPH speed limit from your computer being illegal. What about racing shocks on a street car?
Sounds like you have some real retarded law makers in your state.

[drewh4386]

NOOOOOO!
You know like the open can law for beer?
well its the armed nitrous law here. Its not retarded.
We had it go into effect after many report deaths in street racing accidents involving nitrous (un controllable car. YOu guys know at extreme acceleration and/or high speed your car becomes less controllable. YOu can have it but it is only for the track or else you get a ticket and or you car impounded.

No it is not like
having Z rated tires on your car
removing the 150MPH speed limit (removing that changes you emissions at certain MPH)

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by drewh4386

NOOOOOO!
You know like the open can law for beer?
well its the armed nitrous law here. Its not retarded.
We had it go into effect after many report deaths in street racing accidents involving nitrous (un controllable car. YOu guys know at extreme acceleration and/or high speed your car becomes less controllable. YOu can have it but it is only for the track or else you get a ticket and or you car impounded.

No it is not like
having Z rated tires on your car
removing the 150MPH speed limit (removing that changes you emissions at certain MPH)

Please tell why 1 is different than another? All are designed for speed above the legal speed limits.
In 2003, 43,220 people died in cars. 40% was drug or Alky related.
Of all these Auto deaths 3 were reported due to Nitrous Oxide injected powered cars. 3 in 43,000. Wow nitrous is out of control.

The World Health Organization has determined that road deaths will be the greatest public health crisis the world will face within the coming decades. The economic cost to society of each accident in the United States is figured to average $800,000 us dollars. Furthermore, serious injuries and fatalities are emotionally devastating to families and friends who become another tier of victims.
Consider this:
~ Every 34 minutes someone is murdered; every 13 minutes someone dies in a highway cash.
~ Every 35 seconds there is an aggravated assault; every 15 seconds there is a highway injury.

~ America lost 620,000 citizens during all wars since 1775; more than 3 million were lost on the nation's highways during the last century.
~ In 1998 fewer than 700 people died in airplane crashes; more than 41,000 died in highway crashes.
~ In 1985, deaths from heart disease and tumors were responsible, respectively, for 11.8 and 15.6 life-years lost per death; motor vehicle crashes in the same year were responsible for 37.3 life-years lost per death.
~ People who have eaten a peanut butter an jelly sandwich who died in car crashes accounted for 99.3%.

Conclusion..Don't outlaw guns....outlaw cars.
People who have eaten peanut butter an jelly sandwich's not be allowed in a car.

3 death's in 43,220 isn't a figure that should have the lawmakers alarmed to the point of making law against nitrous.
I think they should spend more time on the peanut butter an jelly issue and read the facts.
You and the citizen's of your state should look at your elected officals very close before casting a vote or they might make a law making it illegal to drive around without hubcaps, or women riding bicycles.
Illegal to drive around with your nut showing or peddling pussy.

[drewh4386]

They don't give you hp idiot. if it was that hard.

sorry for the rudeness.

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by drewh4386

They don't give you hp idiot. if it was that hard.

sorry for the rudeness.

Getting back to outlawing nitrous as it makes HP, and I assume this HP is killing at a alarming rate of 3 in 43,220 auto death's a year. Enough to have your lawmakers pass law making it illegal to have nitrous installed and hookedup and armed in your car.

As for being sorry for the rudeness, no problem, I just consider the source.

[drewh4386]

cool with me. Now back to the original topic. big shots Nitrous not matter what you have is going to cause pre-combustion more times than none. Races gas will be needed to harness such power all at once. I commend to the guys whom pay 4.99 for 100 octane. and more for higer octane.

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by drewh4386

cool with me. Now back to the original topic. big shots Nitrous not matter what you have is going to cause pre-combustion more times than none. Races gas will be needed to harness such power all at once. I commend to the guys whom pay 4.99 for 100 octane. and more for higer octane.

Your so right. 100 octane gas does cost $4.99 a gallon. You have any idea how it's made? Ever heard of toluene? Toluene is what gasoline mfg's use to raise the octane of gas. Do you know what toluene is? Nothing more than paint thinner. Yep, paint thinner. Holy cows the price of racing gas just dropped to alittle more than regular gas.
Your kinda right. Large amounts of nitrous well cause problems if it isn't setup right, meaning, water/alky injection (which is good for your engine) and timing.

So here's what we have. If you raise the compression ratio of your engine or increase the boost of your engine you'll have similar problems as running nitrous.
Now we have a choice. Run a 75 shot of spray and be happy or get serious and do it right and run as much as you want and kick some ass. It's your choice. I perfer you don't use it, as it makes it much easier for me to win races.

[beef_bourito]

it also depends on what kind of racing you're doing. nitrous is good for drag racing but throw it on a circuit with 20 laps and it's useless (unless of course you're playing need for speed underground 2 where you get it from drafting, powersliding, getting air, and near misses somehow. i'd love to have a nitrous can that could do that)

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

it also depends on what kind of racing you're doing. nitrous is good for drag racing but throw it on a circuit with 20 laps and it's useless (unless of course you're playing need for speed underground 2 where you get it from drafting, powersliding, getting air, and near misses somehow. i'd love to have a nitrous can that could do that)

Beef I really don't like saying your wrong but in this country during 1950s the famed stock car racer Smokey Yunick rediscoverd nitrous oxide injection as one of his many schemes for winning races until discovered and outlawed by NASCAR. Neverthesless, there have been several nitrous oxide cheating scandals in NASCAR over the years and it is probably still used today by the slowest of backmarkers. In the late-70s/early-80s nitrous oxide was "rediscovered" by drag racers and hot rodders.

[beef_bourito]

yes, it is true that if you take two cars tuned and whatnot to the limit of the rules and slap nitrous on one of them, he has the advantage. what i was trying to say is that if you have two cars, one with nitrous and nothing else, and the other with a supercharger or turbocharger and put them in a long circuit race, the super or turbo car has a much better chance because it's constant power.

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

yes, it is true that if you take two cars tuned and whatnot to the limit of the rules and slap nitrous on one of them, he has the advantage. what i was trying to say is that if you have two cars, one with nitrous and nothing else, and the other with a supercharger or turbocharger and put them in a long circuit race, the super or turbo car has a much better chance because it's constant power.

First off I don't don't know of a racing body that doesn't put restrictions on engine size with superchargers or turbo's. Indy for example allows larger N/A engines than turbo or supercharged engines.
What you suggesting I understand very well but not possible, example: in the LaMans 24 hours race If I'm not mistaken has been won mostly by N/A cars, but then that isn't a fair comparson eather as the cubic in restrictions on turbo'd or supercharged cars.

Your statement was as follows," nitrous is good for drag racing but throw it on a circuit with 20 laps and it's useless". Tell that to Smokey Yunick or Lance Raventlow, winners of many long course races with nitrous.
Beef, nitrous is the most misunderstood add on, and has some bad reports on it because of stupid idiots not setting it up right or missusing it. People who understand it and use it, trust me, swear by it.
For 99.99% of the guys on here, most are street racers and nitrous is a natural for them, IF USED PROPERLY, and for the ones that race at a track, there governed by rules.
As for myself on the street, 99% of the time I'm running on low boost. But line up next to me and I'll crank the boost up and arm the nitrous. I didn't build my car to lose and want every advantage I can have.

Now if you'd rewrite your post to say," nitrous is good for drag racing but throw it on a circuit with 20 laps and it's illegal", then I'd agree with you 100%.

[beef_bourito]

ok, I guess i was going on assumtions more than actual knowledge, it's apparent that you know more about nitrous than me. Thanks for the info, good discusion.