CAI, which is better for Civic

[VTEC_boi]

pric, sorry to point out the obvious.



But you just got OWN3D!

[pric]

ric, Maybe it was to early in the morning for you to comprehend my posts. I don't know how you did it but you have no one to blame but yourself.

1st. I would like to thank you for agreeing with me and contradicting yourself at the same time and I quote "at idle there is a very small increase in intake air temps due to underhood heatsoak. " then your first post which is the one I was commenting on " then could possibly ever be heated from simple underhood heat dissipation. " I never said there was a large difference you ASSumed that. I was saying there is an increase never said how much.

2nd. To answer you question "have you ever ran a car with an obd2 scan tool attached and monitered the intake air temp sensor? " yes I have. Have you ever measured the difference between a stock air box and one that is insulated? If not then you have no bases in your statment.

3rd. In your next statment "maybe if your lucky i'll come back on and give some calculations of thermal conductivity to prove how much underhood heat does not actually effect the intake air temps anywhere noticable enough to justify using thermoplastics or polished aluminums etc.. " I never said that the air temps were anywhere noticable enough to justify using thermoplastics. You once again you ASSumed that on your own.

It is obvious that you have a little idea of basic physics and I ASSumed that most people on this board don't no physics so i was using the radiator in simpleton terms. I apologize if you took that the worng way. As for your last statment "oh one thing i forgot to say about your radiator theory. compare the amount of surface area on a radiator to the actual fluid flow and acceleration though it vs. the amount and acceleration of air through the surface area of an intake. you'll be sad to see the intake comes nowhere close to the radiator. " I was using the radiator as an example. Show me where I was comparing the heat dispation rate of the two. You can't because once again you ASSumed to much.

If you would like I would be happy to pm you and discuss the basic princples and formulas of heat flow and the first law of thermodynamics.

[ric]

Originally posted by pric
ric, Maybe it was to early in the morning for you to comprehend my posts. I don't know how you did it but you have no one to blame but yourself.

i dont think there was any misunderstanding about it

1st. I would like to thank you for agreeing with me and contradicting yourself at the same time and I quote "at idle there is a very small increase in intake air temps due to underhood heatsoak. " then your first post which is the one I was commenting on " then could possibly ever be heated from simple underhood heat dissipation. " I never said there was a large difference you ASSumed that. I was saying there is an increase never said how much.

excuse me that my clarification wasnt up to par in my first post. i didnt know i would be having a pissing contest once again with someone. its should have read "even at idle a 1.6 liter engine ingests more air in one second then could possibly ever be heated from simple underhood heat dissipation to cause any sort of noticable difference.

something i still stand by.

and as for never saying how much exactly i think
" are you trying to say that air temp flowing through the intake does not heat up because it's moving to fast?

If so you would be incorrect. That's why I asked "How do you think a radiator works? " The faster the air flows across the radiator the more heat it disipates and " simple underhood heat dissipation. " is alot more than you maybe think. and if that is not what you meant please explain?

2nd. To answer you question "have you ever ran a car with an obd2 scan tool attached and monitered the intake air temp sensor? " yes I have. Have you ever measured the difference between a stock air box and one that is insulated? If not then you have no bases in your statment.

why yes, actually i have, as a matter of fact it was in my car when i thought an insulator would help. i found out it didnt to any reasonable degree and basically made the engine bay look like shit.

3rd. In your next statment "maybe if your lucky i'll come back on and give some calculations of thermal conductivity to prove how much underhood heat does not actually effect the intake air temps anywhere noticable enough to justify using thermoplastics or polished aluminums etc.. " I never said that the air temps were anywhere noticable enough to justify using thermoplastics. You once again you ASSumed that on your own.

then why even argue? but then again you did say "and " simple underhood heat dissipation. " is alot more than you maybe think. dont create situations that make the reader assume and he wont.

It is obvious that you have a little idea of basic physics and I ASSumed that most people on this board don't no physics so i was using the radiator in simpleton terms. I apologize if you took that the worng way. As for your last statment "oh one thing i forgot to say about your radiator theory. compare the amount of surface area on a radiator to the actual fluid flow and acceleration though it vs. the amount and acceleration of air through the surface area of an intake. you'll be sad to see the intake comes nowhere close to the radiator. " I was using the radiator as an example. Show me where I was comparing the heat dispation rate of the two. You can't because once again you ASSumed to much.

once again "friend" dont lead the reader into assuming things and he wont. sorry but comparing a radiator to an intake in a post that has taken a turn towards the technical aspect of the subject is bot the smartest idea.

also how could you possibly ever know what my understanding of physics is? do you know me? the odds are that you dont so your claim is unfounded. if you did know me then you would know i am in school for mechanical engineering so i would hope that the 50,000$ worth of money i have spent to date would leave me with a somewhat decent understanding of what i am going to school for. not to mention the wall of physics books i have for my own personal entertainment.

try to take your own medicine and please dont ASSume

If you would like I would be happy to pm you and discuss the basic princples and formulas of heat flow and the first law of thermodynamics.

thats quite alright, you dont impress me, your case is weak, and continuing this pissing contest any further is no longer appealing.

good day.

[sageuvagony]

hey 1995HondaCivic!!!! do you have any idea that this whole thing is YOUR FAULT!?!?!? lol

[B16EJ1]

Hey sageuvagony!!! Do you know how old this thread is???

[sageuvagony]

so how the hell did it end up on the recent threads? uhh... its the only reason I responded to it..

[B16EJ1]

Some noob probably voted on the poll. Check the post dates.

[moleodonuts]

<smack head> that's 2 you've done

[emerge]

i have to admit, although this is an extremely old post, it's a great discussion/debate of the mechanics of a car. that's why we're here. we need more posts like this!

[RedBetta]

and more brainiacs....

[99civic03]

Damn, this thread is old!

[moleodonuts]

I have spark plugs that keep igniting my fuel when the car is on.... as a result my gas tank keeps on emptying out.

anyone got any suggestions? I tried not using the clutch and just slaming the gears around, but all it did was make loud noises