No action on Marine who shot hurt Iraqi

[TexasF355F1]

Good. I'm very elated to to hear that. This guy lost his a few of his comrads in the previous days leading up to him shooting the guy by people faking dead and then blowing themselves up. They can't trust any of those fuckers.

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by bagwanshrirashnish

IF you are at war and....
IF you are being shot at and....
IF the adrenaline is pumping to the max and....
IF the enemy combatants are holed up in a mosque and....
IF you fear for your life and....
IF a joker is playing dead and....
again...
IF you fear for your life....
YOU DO WHAT YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO DO!


No sympathy from normal people going to that loser.

I feel the same way TexasF355F1 does. Also i would do the samething the soldier would have done. I posted saving private ryan above because of that scene where they caought this guy and let him go. later that same guy killed the soldiers with no remorse. After seeing that i told myself that if I was to ever go to war, I would show no sympathy.

[Gotti]

Taranaki would of loved this one lol

[Raz_Kaz]

Wow, some people don't really care to be bothered with the whole story. For those inquiring on why they were ni the mosque in the first place, please read the original link. They were engaged in battle and the enemy was injured, patched up and then left there for whatever reasons the previous troups had.

The people who don't abide by the legitimate use of force during war are labelled terrorists, hence being the reason "the empire" is in the middle-east. now for America to stoop to that level and fight the same way the terrorists do, that makes them no better.
I don't think I wouldn't have done anything different in his shoes, it's understandable. But to just let it go like he had done nothing wrong is unjust. Sure he was a terrorist in America's eyes, but to others he was a father, brother, uncle, friend.

[fredjacksonsan]

Raz, what you're missing here is that there had been numerous other enemy combatants that faked being dead, then detonated bombs killing many US Soldiers. This Marine had seen this happen, and was understandably wary. When he saw what was supposedly a dead body move, he reacted by shooting, to protect both himself and the others in the room with him.

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Raz, what you're missing here is that there had been numerous other enemy combatants that faked being dead, then detonated bombs killing many US Soldiers. This Marine had seen this happen, and was understandably wary. When he saw what was supposedly a dead body move, he reacted by shooting, to protect both himself and the others in the room with him.

which in the given situation was the right thing to do. Like way back in vietnam the was a saying that went "there are no fat kids or people in this country." They would strap those kids with bombs, hide them under their clothes and tell them to go play with u.s. soldiers......

[fredjacksonsan]

Yep, because you couldn't find the VC hiding with the villagers, because the villagers WERE the VC.

[AlmostStock]

If the same thing happened the other way around we would storm an entire village. We are showing people we call terrorists that violence really is the answer, and things keep getting worse.

Look at the death counts for both sides and prove me wrong.

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

If the same thing happened the other way around we would storm an entire village. We are showing people we call terrorists that violence really is the answer, and things keep getting worse.

Look at the death counts for both sides and prove me wrong.

So you are saying that we should just lay down and do nothing.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Raz, what you're missing here is that there had been numerous other enemy combatants that faked being dead, then detonated bombs killing many US Soldiers. This Marine had seen this happen, and was understandably wary. When he saw what was supposedly a dead body move, he reacted by shooting, to protect both himself and the others in the room with him.

I know what you're saying, hence why i posted that I would have done the same. What needs to be determined as that he acted responsibly and not just in rage of what he had seen earlier.
How can you say it's right for someone to shoot an unarmed man because he felt threatened and then get all rowdy when someone blows up a patrolling humvee because he felt his country is being threatened?

[Franko914]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

I know what you're saying, hence why i posted that I would have done the same. What needs to be determined as that he acted responsibly and not just in rage of what he had seen earlier.
How can you say it's right for someone to shoot an unarmed man because he felt threatened and then get all rowdy when someone blows up a patrolling humvee because he felt his country is being threatened?

Raz_Kaz,

Do you know what emotions are running in you while in an environment where your life is in extreme peril? It wasn't as if he was shooting at a woman or child or a dog. They were left in the mosque by their comrades and they were determined to have been using the mosque as a base from which to attack the Americans. That's more than enough of determination there, enough for the corporal's actions to be deemed responsible, enough of this paralysis-by-analysis Monday-night-quarterbacking second-guessing what-iffing.

BTW, have you ever shot a firearm, and if so, at what? Animate or inanimate target? Just curious.

[AlmostStock]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

So you are saying that we should just lay down and do nothing.

We certainly aren't controlling anything now with our present strategy, but that's a whole nother topic. My point was that if an unarmed, wounded Marine was killed this way many would be demanding revenge of the highest order. But when it's the other way around it's ok and they can't make up excuses fast enough.

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

We certainly aren't controlling anything now with our present strategy, but that's a whole nother topic. My point was that if an unarmed, wounded Marine was killed this way many would be demanding revenge of the highest order. But when it's the other way around it's ok and they can't make up excuses fast enough.

No man. I call it home favorites. Its like when you played a sport, and a journalist ask you who is going to when the game tonight, what the hell are you going to say all over national t.v.? You know you are going to lose, but you say you are going to win. YOU take up for your team. NOt somebody elses. The other side does the samething.

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by AlmostStock

We certainly aren't controlling anything now with our present strategy, but that's a whole nother topic. My point was that if an unarmed, wounded Marine was killed this way many would be demanding revenge of the highest order. But when it's the other way around it's ok and they can't make up excuses fast enough.

You can't honestly compare a wounded marine to a wounded insurgent.

Wounded marines do not plant bombs under themselves ready to blow up insurgents. Marines do not plant bombs on dead soliders or strap them onto women and kids trying to kill as many insurgents as they can.

SO how can you compare insurgents to marines? The track record of insurgents is repaeated time and time again, they are known for doing things of this nature and any marine needs to be aware that a wounded insurgent is capable to killing soliders when he is wounded.

[AlmostStock]

OK this incident was justified, but let's not forget who started all of this. Iraq never attacked us, never threatened to attack us, and didn't even have the means to attack us. So in that respect it's our fault there are insurgents at all.

I don't blame the insurgents for using what ever means are available to them. If a much stronger force tried to take over me or my country, I would do the same. You can say we use fancy technology and they use dirty tactics but you know who's killed more, and who set the ball rolling.

Do you honestly think escalating the use of force will ever make them give up and create a happy ending? I don't. Unfortunately I'm afraid our folly has left us with no good options.