S/C Z24 VS Stage 2 WRX

[civicHBsi91]

geuss its a secret to what every s/c jbody runs around here huh.....

embarassed guys?.....

[-Josh-]

They made supercharged ecotec cavvy's from the factory, it was called the tuner's edition or something like that, they had the ground effects kit, the s/c, 5 speed, and some other stuff. As for making them fast, there's nothing wrong with rodding them out, as long as you're trying to make it fast that's cool.

[chexmixa]

The way the Cavy's motor is set up i just can't see it performing all that well. Its ment to be a peppy econo engine. You boost it you break it. But hey to each his own.

[Mr. Luos]

Originally Posted by chexmixa

The way the Cavy's motor is set up i just can't see it performing all that well. Its ment to be a peppy econo engine. You boost it you break it. But hey to each his own.

Agreed. With at least the 2.4. But it also isn't all that expensive to build that motor either.

The Ecotec loves boost though. Watch for those. I have seen some of those surprising people.

[chexmixa]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

Agreed. With at least the 2.4. But it also isn't all that expensive to build that motor either.

The Ecotec loves boost though. Watch for those. I have seen some of those surprising people.

Yeah def. The new Cobalt SS and RL's are crazy fast for a 2.0l supa charged. I really think the blowers they have on there are dead ends. They have maxed the crap outa em. Did you see what they are offering for a performance gain? A turbo to go along with the super charger?!?!?!? where is the sence in that. I would like to see them go the same route as the Srt-4. I bet those Ecotech's would scream with a turbo charger. Imo take the supercharger off and put a turbo on your SS/RL. You would east Srt-4s for breakfast.

[-Josh-]

I dont know about eating them for breakfast, i think it would be a nice match to see though. There's still a shit load you can do to a car once it's supercharged though, i highly doubt it's maxed out. You can still toy with the fuel and ignition system, as well as computer and a better set of rubbers. And there's also the possibility of putting a different pulley on.

[chexmixa]

Originally Posted by Z28Josh

I dont know about eating them for breakfast, i think it would be a nice match to see though. There's still a shit load you can do to a car once it's supercharged though, i highly doubt it's maxed out. You can still toy with the fuel and ignition system, as well as computer and a better set of rubbers. And there's also the possibility of putting a different pulley on.

what i mean is the S/C is maxed out. Its allready runnen 12lbs of boost and its intercooled. A pully wont help at all. They are allready very close to max boost.

[=OrangeZ=]

WOW i cant beleave how much people dont know about the J platform no wonder why people think where slow

first off the a GM supercharger 2.4 engine puts out 170whp on the dyno thats with everything stock besides the charger @4.5psi, add a CAI,62mm TB,4-1 performance header, 2.5" exhaust setup and your running in around 200whp as the charger loves to breath then after that you can upgrade to smaller pulleys and increase the boost level to 7psi to gain another 20whp, you can then after all that go into the engine and get some larger cams and port and polish the head and you can also add alchole injection to cool the charge and go with even smaller pulleys and put out 10psi

if you do all that its good for around 250-260whp if done right

also with 4.5psi(stock psi) and a 55 shot you can get into the mid 13's with everything else stock you can get low 13's with a 75shot rather then a 55 shot as well thats all on street tires as well

im not making any of this up

anyways no there was never any cavalier with a body kit and a supercharger from the factory atleast not with the ecotech engine only the 2.4 in 02 was supercharger from dealership

also 270whp/320bhp is alot in a very light car with some radials you can dip to the mid 12's and low 13's on street tires all on stock interals idk about you but i really dont consider that not having potential or slow for that matter you can build these engines up really good and if you replace the stock interals with forged then you good for over 400whp+ on the 2.4 engine as its already been done

stock for stock the 2.4 can hold as much boost as an ecotech but the 2.4 react better to boost and mods and usally get more hp per psi so them are actualy the ones to watch out for though you should still be watching out for the ecotechs as well as they are not to far off

as for the Cobalt ss s/c no the supercharger isnt the cars limiting factor GM already has a 300HP verson of it using the same charger @ 18psi so i dunno what the heck your talking about, but in the end the engine can hold over 500hp if it was being pushed by a turbo but i dont think 300hp is anything to laugh at when they run mid 14's on just 200bhp

anything else i can clear up for ya

[Mr. Luos]

Originally Posted by =OrangeZ=

WOW i cant beleave how much people dont know about the J platform no wonder why people think where slow

Your right. They do have some opportunity to be quick.

Problem is, for the most part, owners rice them out. This is where they get their reputation.

And yes, I will even call a supercharged Cavi slow.

[=OrangeZ=]

dont understand how you can connsider it slow when they can keep up with the likes up a camaro SS or transam's lol of course thats stock on there be half but then again we only have half the engine

lol you probley dont even run low 13's anyways so what are you to say

they are not the fastest car in the world or even close to being fast but deffinatly not slow imho
i consider it quick for a tuner/4banger, heck i could take out turboed eclipses and talons on just 4.5psi all day even took out some newer mustang Gt's on 4.5psi stock everything but just take this into consideration ... how many other compact cars in the cavys class, price range and year can run mid 14's and be considered stock....hmm NONE

[=OrangeZ=]

o but your right on the whole riced out situation.. : ( people tend to make them into demestic rice lol

i swear my car will never be one

[-Jayson-]

mr luos most everything is slow to you. But alot of people dont know that the LD9 twin cam is built off the design and bottom end of the Quad 4 racing engine. This is a 4 cylinder engine that has gotten over 1200 HP. In race setup atleast.
the 2.4L Ld9 Engine is a very strong engine that responds really well to boost. And as OrangeZ was saying it responds even better once you let the engine and charger breath. Ill admit cavaliers have a bad reputation cause of all the base models that are riced out.
And the ecotec doesnt love boost. Thats a big misconception. If it loved boost so much, GM wouldnt have to destroke it to add the blower. Not to mention they seem to blow up alot easier. The ecotec is supposed to be getting a charger from GM like the LD9. Only thing is, they have rated it at 175HP with 11 PSI. According to GM it gains 35HP on 11 PSI. Thats kinda sad if thats true.

BTW i didnt make it to the track tonight, they cancelled test n tune night for a heads up street racing night.

[Mr. Luos]

Originally Posted by =OrangeZ=

lol you probley dont even run low 13's anyways so what are you to say

I certainly hope that wasn't a jab at my car.

[civicHBsi91]

im hearing you CAN run 13's with them....what the hell are YOU guys running?

Really why keep avoiding this question?

And how can you consider it stock if it has a supercharger... and a 55 shot to see mid 13's along with all the other mods you have said it would take....not too impressive.

[PearlGT]

Originally Posted by =OrangeZ=

lol you probley dont even run low 13's anyways so what are you to say

OH NO HE DIDN'T!


Would you please tell me approximately (give or take $200 or so) how much it would cost to build a cavi to run low 13's?