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[G-Forces]

Originally posted by i_rebel
Is it the intention of those who do not approve of street racing to prevent those who approve from glorifying it?

Ding, ding, ding! There is nothing glamerous about street racing. I was VERY nearly in a street racing related accident. I wasn't racing but the two asshole who were came up on me so fast I didn't notice. I usually pride myself on being an observant driver and knowing where EVERY car on the freeway is in relation to myself.

Anyway, a black mustang suddenly appeared beside me and slowed down quickly. Instinctivly I looked in my rear view mirror and notice a car sideways on the freeway. The car cut to and collided with the barrier and white pickup truck t-boned him. I found out later that 3 cars were actually in the collision. The mustang took off like a bat out of hell, but not before I managed to get his vanity plate number. I almost laughed it was so easy to remember. Anyway I called the cops and gave my statement. I don't know if they caught him. I'm not positive it was a contest of speed but I have a feeling it was.

Street racing is street racing and it's dangerous no matter how you look at it. I'm not trying to preach but I don't want to see any of you guys get killed, kill someone or end up in jail from stupidity. And yes, it can happen to you!

If you checked out the links that Geo (P10DET) posted you'll see that the one guy charged with manslaughter and dangerous driving did not actually hit anyone, but he was participating in the race. I think this case will set precident and that's a good thing. So now if the guy you race end's up killing himself and someone else, you will get charged. DONT STREET RACE!

[zykotik]

Alright no hard feelings.

Yes I agree with you..I said it over and over. However your argument has cast me further into rethinking about my participation in such events. It`d be nice to attend racing schools and go to real tracks but man the costs kill me. By the time I`m through gettin the car built up the way I like it I have no money left for the costs of geting to racing school.

Here`s a twist to the convo... How would you suggest I can get myself to the real racing scene. I`m asking you for advice because your in that scene and I would like to give up petty road racing and get into something a little more real.

Oh and I know all about losing my licence...it`s happened. Before my G20 I had very fast Integra I got caught for 259 km/h in a 70 km/h zone (Highway 40 East near Langelier st.) The fine was 988$ I lost 12 points, the cop sent the car for mechanical inspection and I lost my licence for three months. My insurance went up 500$ the year after AND I had to pay 454$ to renew my licence. Needless to say I haven`t pulled a stunt like that since then...Other than the racing in PAT that I mentioned I haven`t done anymore than 140 km/h on the highway since then.

So now you know why I agree with you and my question remains how do I get into the real stuff? Who do I cantact etc.., I`m serious gimme some info and I will do it.

Thanks for any help you can offer me

[G-Forces]

I'd start buy finding some organized autocrosses in your area. They are pretty cheap, you can race what you brung, it's not hard on your car, they are usually pretty casual and you can learn alot. It's really fun and everyone is generally there to have a good time. If you want more speed then start looking at BMW clubs, Miada clubs and the such that do open hotlapping at Mosport, Shannonville and other tracks in the area. George can probably fill in more...

[P10DET]

Originally posted by zykotik
Alright no hard feelings.

Excellent!!

Originally posted by zykotik
Yes I agree with you..I said it over and over. However your argument has cast me further into rethinking about my participation in such events. It`d be nice to attend racing schools and go to real tracks but man the costs kill me. By the time I`m through gettin the car built up the way I like it I have no money left for the costs of geting to racing school.

Here`s a twist to the convo... How would you suggest I can get myself to the real racing scene. I`m asking you for advice because your in that scene and I would like to give up petty road racing and get into something a little more real.

I am SO glad you asked.

Jason mentioned autocrossing. That didn't do it for me. I did it for a couple of years and here is what I found:

1) Some people took it way too seriously. There were people who showed up with competitive formula cars just to drive them about 3-6 minutes every other week or so. Crazy IMHO

2) I really wanted to race wheel to wheel. So, after I graduated from university, I bought a racing kart. Don't laugh. Michael Schumacher has it written into his contract that he is still allowed to race karts. Many F1 and Champ Car drivers started in karts and some even still race them in the off-season.

I guarantee you that you will learn more about preparation, set-up, and car control in a season of karting than 5 years of any other form of motorsports. I guarantee it.

What's more is that Canada has much better kart racing than the states. The states are catching up, but karting is taken more seriously and IMHO is run better in Canada. If you are lucky enough to be built like a F1 driver (low weight) unlike me, you can run Formula A. That is the same class they run in the world championships. Lee Bentham, a Canadian Formula Atlantic winner, started in karts and even raced at my home track. He eventually went to Europe. Anyway, in Canada you will find mostly direct drive karts. They are not as easy to get used to driving as clutch karts, but they will make you a better driver.

If you want to go to lapping events, I will fill you in on preparation as well as give some insight into the concepts you should know. I am working on an article or series of articles right now. I will finish it up after the DET is done. I'll send you an advanced copy.

It's possible to go lapping safely as long as you use your head and remember a few basic things. Most people who have had major crashes have done something stupid and compounded it by not remembering what they were told to do when they were in trouble. There was a video makings it's way through various mailing lists of a Scooby rolling at Lime Rock park. This was such an event. He turned in early but still could have saved it at least 2-3 ways. Instead he just didn't remember what he was told.

You don't even need a well modified car. Make sure it's mechanically sound. That's it. Race rubber is great but not absolutely necessary. Race pads are great, but if you have personal discipline, they are not necessary. Everything else is just gravy.

If you want to go car racing wheel to wheel, I strongly recommend doing karting first. As I said, you will learn more quickly. You will get more seat time. It's relatively inexpensive. The cost of a used kart is about half the cost of a used production based race car. When I went to SCCA school (part of getting my competition license), I drew more on my karting experience far more than any of my other experiences, including racing school - like 90% of what I drew on came from karting.

If you are firm about racing cars wheel to wheel, it would be best to contact your local CSN region and attend a few races. Find out about the classes and I think you will generally find most amateur racers love to help out those who are starting out.

And as always, I'll give as much help as I can. I just don't know the CSN classes.

[zykotik]

If you want to go to lapping events, I will fill you in on preparation as well as give some insight into the concepts you should know. I am working on an article or series of articles right now. I will finish it up after the DET is done. I'll send you an advanced copy.


Hey thanks for all that Info and I am really interested in getting that lapping info you mentioned. I'd love to do karting (worked at a track for 2 years in Ottawa) but Ijust spent a heap of money on the G, it was accidented and automatic when I bought it and now its restored and 5 speed But I think I wanna put some money together for karting. In the meantime Autocross and Lapping will tide me over. I'm assuming I can info on lapping and autocross events at Mt.Tremblant? I definitely need to know about prep and setup...driving tips might be nice too but I'm not too bad behind the wheel....(thats the only thing I can say I got from street..not promoting street however I should've learned the right way)

If I did'nt mention it before you guys (Jason & George) woke me up to something I was already starting to realize: There is no place for racing on public streets. Must be nice to be told your right in the end eh ?

[ales]

I just wanted to note how glad I am to see what this thread has become. I mean it, guys!

P.S. Any ideas how a student on a budget can get into real racing in Estonia (where we have 1 track, and it is not up to standards)? No? Me neither... Oh well...

[P10DET]

Originally posted by ales
I just wanted to note how glad I am to see what this thread has become. I mean it, guys!

P.S. Any ideas how a student on a budget can get into real racing in Estonia (where we have 1 track, and it is not up to standards)? No? Me neither... Oh well...

I'll bet there is kart racing reasonably near you. You should also look into whether there are clubs that do lapping events year you.

Those are the only things that come readily to mind.

[JG20]

Hi guys,

I was just wondering where the guys from toronto go lapping. Is there a place where I can just show up, pay a fee and do laps? Or do I have to take a prep course before lapping. I'd love to start karting but I've still got university to finish. In the mean time, lapping sounds good.

Thanks,

Joe

[G-Forces]

Well there's Shannonville, Mosport and Cayuga. I've been to Shannonville on the Fabi circuit twice. Both times it was organized by a group. They rent out the tracks so everyone usually splits the costs. If you go with a group of responsible guys it's pretty safe to. There's another group of us going to Shannonville again in August but it's full, sorry.

[JG20]

Thanks for the info Jason

BTW, is there anything I need interms of safety requirements before lapping and what is the cost (approx.)?

Oh yeah, you think you could let us know the next time you plan on going again.

Thanks,

Joe

[gang$tarr]

for all the people complaining, i know this is a lil harsh but SHUT UP! let us do what we want, i respect your opinion, but i can do what i want, and i try to do it as safely as possible...... this thread is meant for all the good stories that all of us who enjoy street racing have....... if you want to complain about it please don't do it here, go and complain your freakin mouth off in the "your opinions about street racing thread"

also, you have no right to stereotype people who street race as "idiots" and "big balls, small brains"


thank you, biatch

[my95cobras]

well even though you dont like street racing this i think is my best racing story, so i was out at the local car hang out on saturday night at about midnight, i was in my 1995 black cobra conv. that has almost everything done to it except a stroker motor which is being put in it this week...

so i was standing there with my buddy who came with me and a 1996 viper that was white with blue stripes pulls into the parking lot we are at, he walks around and people are challenging him for me (i didnt ask tham too) to race me my car made 542 rwhp on the dyno the day before, his car had headers and full exhaust, throttle bodies, smooth tubes and k&n's and ready for this a 125 shot of juice, well he finaly walked up to me and asked me if i wanted to race i said not really, and he walked away, about 1/2 hour later he walked up to me again and said are you sure you dont want to race i said if you really want to i will (aint peer pressure a bitch) so i said i will if we start a 30mph in second gear he said ok so we hopped into our cars 2 people in each car and we went down the road about a mile and we turned around we slowly got up to 30 matched speeds and front bumpers and the passengers said when to go, well through second we weere even because it took all of 1 sec to get through that gear and we shifted into second he sprayed his juice but still couldnt seem to keep the speed going i started to pull slowly, end of third and im ahead by a car, 4th gear i pulled away still as i saw white mist coming from the viper again, so at 110mph i was around 1.5-2 car lengths ahead...

that is my all time favorite one...

[S Brake]

I beat a riced out Prelude in my moms Oldsmobile Intrigue, he looked pretty surprised.

[gang$tarr]

isn't a stock prelude faster than a intrigue?

[S Brake]

I guess his wasn't :finger: