Celica Vs. 3000GT

[91 Celica St]

a dodge stealth tt is the EXACT same thing as a 3000 gt vr-4 they have the same EXACT motor, tranney, ecu, rear end, and all that...they also weight basically the same, just hte stealth is uglyer (in my opnion bt it still lookstight)

so yeah, shop for both cuz tehre the same

hope your happpy

[Twizted_3KGT]

I already knew all that but thanks anyway, and I agree on the Stealth being uglier (hideous wing). Hopefully i'll get lucky and find a good deal....and i'm not happy yet..but I will be when I get one

[tipota]

gas mileage really dosnt matter when you think about it. for example, if you have two cars, each with a 10 gallon tank(just to make the math easier), and one gets around 20(the sports car) and one gets around 25(thats what my sentra got), then the second car will get you 50 more miles than the first car. however, for the first car 50 miles is about 2.5 gallons, and if gas is $2.00 per gallon, then it comes out that you have to pay an extra $5.00 to drive a sports car over an econ car. i think its worth it...

[Twizted_3KGT]

Never looked that far into it...doesn't seem like too much of a loss to me...of course I have 2 sports cars, one gets 20 mpg and the other 15 if i'm lucky.

[SigmaProjects]

Originally Posted by tipota

gas mileage really dosnt matter when you think about it. for example, if you have two cars, each with a 10 gallon tank(just to make the math easier), and one gets around 20(the sports car) and one gets around 25(thats what my sentra got), then the second car will get you 50 more miles than the first car. however, for the first car 50 miles is about 2.5 gallons, and if gas is $2.00 per gallon, then it comes out that you have to pay an extra $5.00 to drive a sports car over an econ car. i think its worth it...

MPG only matters on how much you drive. For me I drive 190 miles a week. My astro gets 15~17 (never 20 on the freeway), so I'll use 16 for math reasons. That means that I burn about 11.9 gallons of gas a week (and that's if I don't drive far on the weekends) which equates to me spending 2.20 on gas which equals about $26 a week or or about $104 a month. If could get 20 mpg then I would be spending $83 a month or fantastic 25 mpg I would be spending $67 a month. $104 vs $67? All depends on how much you drive.

[Twizted_3KGT]

Woah woah woah...too much math going on in my thread here...i'm already burnt out from school, I don't wanna have to think on here lol.

[91 Celica St]

yeah i drive almost 250 miles a week...and my st only geest around 20 mpg now that theecu was tuned....so yeah...i pay outthe ass for gas

[LaYzIeNoY]

just wanted to add this

take away the mpg stuff and mod this mod that

i mean you can get enough power for the streets from either car, what i mean is that unless you want insanely high numbers then the 3000gt V6 isnt needed also four bangers can get some insane numbers too

in the end gas will be bad either way, and you will pay the price either way, moding up the celica/ repairing the older 3000gt

so i think you should figure out which one you want the most

[Twizted_3KGT]

Well who says i'd have to repair anything? i'm not gonna buy a pos one...but thanks for the input, i've pretty much made up my mind...with the VR4 the power is there, no need to do any real mods like turbo kit or anything, so I can just concentrate on cosmetics with a few BPU's. I've been paying ridiculous amounts for gas ever since I got my first car so I wouldn't be missing anything on that note. I think it's also b/c the TT was the first turbocharged car i've driven..and all the 4 bangers that i've driven were just disappointing for obvious reasons (140-160 hp)...so i'm kind of ignorant on how a 4 banger turbo feels like but i know i love the 6 banger TT feel...so that's kind of a deciding factor as well.

[Mee11]

Thats too bad, i would have picked the celica hands down, but then again ive never driven a tt stealth, but anyways is that the UTI Toyota-Lexus program in Houston?

[91 Celica St]

meh ur still riding in a 3600 pound car instaed of 2500, its gunna take ALOT more hp to get into lower numbers than it is the celica

[Twizted_3KGT]

Mee: no i'm in NY.

Celica: Yeah that's what a lot of people say, but then they get suprised by how fast the car is...overall you're right, between the weight and the aftermarket availability there's been very few people in the 10's in a VR4, but quite a few in the 11's, and a lot in the 12's...I only want 12's, so shouldn't take too much. I really would go for the Celica if I didn't see one everyday, I just can't drive a car that many other people have...at least for my leisure car.

[GTSStevo]

Originally Posted by Twizted_3KGT

I just have a couple questions that need answering. I am seriously considering getting rid of my 3S and buying a 2000 GTS. And if I get the GTS it'll have to have the Kaminari body kit. So here goes:

1. Which should I go for a 3000GT VR4 (idk what year) or the GTS?

2. How hard is it to get the GTS into the mid 13's 1/4 mile?

3. Is it easy to turbo the GTS or swap the GT-4 engine in? By easy I mean are there a lot of kits out there.

4. Any common problems with them? (I'm in school to be a Toyota Technician so i'm hoping i'll get a bunch of "it's a Toyota, no problems")

5. If I get the GTS will I get more than 20 MPG?? I'm so sick of getting 20 MPG and under lol.

Thanks for anyone's help.

ok to start with:
1. i would go for the 3000GT VR4 if you're looking to spend over $6000, but it's easy to reduce the weight on that car and with over 300bwhp that car can get pretty quick. also, it's about 1000 times easier to find parts for it than the GTS. I know, i have a GTS, and i haven't found a harder car to shop for parts for other than that one right there. and the parts you actually do find for the GTS are about twice as much as the VR4. But when you do find the parts for the GTS, you get so much more power out of it than any other car. but if you're on a tight budget, the GTS is your better buy. Kelly Blue Book says they're anywhere from $2000-$5000. I got mine in 2003 with 104,000 mi. at $4600... and i think that was the best investment i've made before. And weighing in at only 2300 lbs. (well my car anyway) that's a lot lighter than that VR4.
2. GTS is not hard at all to get into the 13's on a 1/4 mile. my friend's GTS has gotten in the low to high 14's with him driving, and high 13's when i've driven, that was before the turbo, so it depends on the driver too (considering he weighs about 100 more pounds than i do b/c i'm a very small person... 110 lbs). After he got the turbo, he ran low 13's high 12's.
3. It's not particularly easy to turbo the GTS b/c it's really hard to find a turbo, turbo manifold, intercooler, all that jazz, for the GTS. The only way my friend got to do it was b/c he saved up $5000 and got his customized. I'm not so sure about the swap with a toyota motor, but if you were indeed looking to swap it out, the B16 is a good motor and the K20 is an excellent motor but you're lookin at about $10,000 for the k20. or you could do what my friend did with his civic hatch. you can take integra ls heads and put them on the gsr block... gsr=high speed and ls=fast acceleration, that way you'd be getting the best of both worlds. and you would only be looking at spending about $1500-$2500 for that.
4. My GTS has not had a single problem that i haven't given it myself. Meaning, they are a very reliable car. My GTS now has over 140,000 mi., got it with 104,000 mi., and those 36,000 miles i've put on that car are very harsh 36,000 mi. and the only problems i've had with it are ones caused by those harsh drving conditions. So the GTS is a very reliable car.
5. If you get the GTS, and everything on it is stock, yes you will get more than 20 mpg. Before i did everything to my engine, i was getting about 25 mpg. But after new 650cc high performance injectors, customized 4" cold air intake, new cam gears, new cams, new crank, new pistions, new ignition system, i'm getting about 20mpg. so the gas mileage is good either way.

hope i've been of some help.

[Twizted_3KGT]

well that's very helpful actually...thanks...i'm looking to spend $10-12 grand on whatever I get...I didn't think that the parts for a GTS would be harder to find than a VR4 or more expensive, that's a surprise. Thanks for all the info.

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by GTSStevo

3. It's not particularly easy to turbo the GTS b/c it's really hard to find a turbo, turbo manifold, intercooler, all that jazz, for the GTS. The only way my friend got to do it was b/c he saved up $5000 and got his customized.

Not really. C2 power makes excellent kits for both the GT and GT-S.

http://www.c2power.com/products/celi...t2_upgrade_kit

Originally Posted by GTSStevo

5. If you get the GTS, and everything on it is stock, yes you will get more than 20 mpg. Before i did everything to my engine, i was getting about 25 mpg. But after new 650cc high performance injectors, customized 4" cold air intake, new cam gears, new cams, new crank, new pistions, new ignition system, i'm getting about 20mpg. so the gas mileage is good either way.

So you have cams and cam gears on your GT-S?? That's odd because nobody makes cams for the 2zz-ge. Also cam gears are not applicable on the 2zz-ge because of the variable valve timing.
I bet that intake bogs like crazy.. lol