Tiburon Supercharger 9psi 311whp??

[nt.guru]

Ok, there's a lot of reading you guys need to do about these Tiburons before you start raising BS flags. 1) the RIPP kit requires that you get headers. Headers on the Tib add 10-12whp. They are not using special headers for the dyno car, they're actually using one of the cheapest sets you can buy from HotShots. An intake on a V6 Tib adds 10+whp. Now obviously, you can't just add 10 and 10 and = 20, but let's say 15whp. you're now at ~165whp. Now, those of us that have boosted our tiburons know that they respond VERY well to boost. I've seen this Tiburon run a dyno in person, and as much as I don't like RIPP (friendly fued), I had to compliment them on their accomplishment.

As Far as the BOV. As those of you that know these systems know, it's a Cent. S/C. So basically, it's a belt driven Turbo. The BOV is in place because of future upgrades, and also, to make a constant 9psi, the blower is actually making 12psi up top and bypassing some of it. Granted, it's not got a great TQ number, but the DELTA engine is a beast with boost.

A great exable of this is a member on NewTiburon.com that goes by Lotus. Her Alpine roots-type s/c'ed tiburon made 232whp at 4psi. The stock setup of a DELTA is very anemic, and with any bolt-on, you'll see large gains.

Another good example is a user that goes by Ibbanez. His custom Single Turbo setup at 7psi ran 256whp and 262wtq.

Please, do research before you bash. Otherwise, you make yourselves sound very dumb

[Yamahamian]

Hey Guru, do they know it was an automatic?

Oh yeah, http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29349

[nisco]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

http://www.rippmods.com/products/pro...&productId=244

Claims 311hp from 9psi. Everything Stock except for Headers and Methanol/water injection. They also have a BOV on a supercharger . Im thinking huge BS . A friend of mine drivers an '04 Tiburon GT v6 and is gun ho' about his 300+ hp supercharged v6 that he will have after wasting 5grand... what do you think?

jus cause you dont knwo about something doesnt make it BS... go get educated

[j00r m0dd3r]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

http://www.rippmods.com/products/pro...&productId=244

Claims 311hp from 9psi. Everything Stock except for Headers and Methanol/water injection. They also have a BOV on a supercharger . Im thinking huge BS . A friend of mine drivers an '04 Tiburon GT v6 and is gun ho' about his 300+ hp supercharged v6 that he will have after wasting 5grand... what do you think?

hmmm.....


http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26784

[kliped]

o and hey if those 2 links rnt good enough for you then here is the alpine setup, the version you guys say is a small step down from ripps set up

Originally Posted by CBFryman

ocmpressor efficency for the simple fact that cyntrifical superchargers are only a small step up from positive displacement superchargers

http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/sho...hlight=fastest

o and dont forget, this 1 is an automatic....

[kliped]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

To me, that looks like total bs, the tiby only makes 172hp at the fly, that's pathetic considering it is a 2.6L engine and Honda's Accord V-6 makes 70 more hp with only an extra 300cc of displacement. I'm not trying to rip on anyone but Tiburons just aren't fast, even supercharged. To make some good power you'd need more mods than that and at leased 15PSI. Headers, catback, and high flow cat will give you, if you're lucky, 10-20hp, depending on how bad the factory ones were. Tell your friend to save his money, unless he's thinking of taking it to the track, even then, go turbo, they give better hp ratings and better torque. But please no one argue that point, it's been proven, I used to love superchargers(never had one but thought they were better) but they just dont crank out as much.

wow this guy is amazing, i mean i guess he knows more about our cars than we do and the only reason the car isnt fast is becuz, its got the word hyundai infront of tiburon. hey and im just wondering, since when did hyundai start making the tiburons 2.6L instead of 2.7L, im just kinda curious about that.

[Yamahamian]

See, what had happened was, he just got pissed that a Hyundai engine could create more power than his Mazda B2500 pickup truck. He obviously feels threatened by our little "drunk H", and can't bear to accept it as a proven fact.

[Reed]

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.

[nisco]

Originally Posted by Reed

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.

you mean mitsubishi/ hyundai motors... soon to be mitsu/hyundai/ chrysler motors...

[dzignr_tastz]

Originally Posted by Reed

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.

Well.. that's partially correct, depending on how you look at it.

In addition to cooling the intake charge, alcohol injection (or methanol, in RIPP's case) also adds octane to the A/F mix, reducing the chance of detonation at high RPMs. And I can assure you that hitting a piston head with a large hammer repeatedly (best comparison I can give) is not good for the rods connected to the other end of them.

And since 2 of those links are regarding my car... I'll take the liberty of posting that dyno firsthand (for those unbelievers that don't know how to click).



That's 117.3% whp gain (from 146 whp stock) @ 9-10psi, on the stock clutch & flywheel setup with the Stage 2 SDS, headers, exhaust, plug wires, and a lightweight crank pulley. And it's in RPMs, too...

But if you still don't "believe" - feel free to call the dyno shop yourself. He'll remember my car (as does everyone that sees it run)!!

I sincerely apologize for breaking the "rules"! LOL

[Reed]

maybe youve never seen a detonated piston and head but i can assure you that once a cylinder detonates it doesnt happen repeatedly. maybe a few times but if you are still reving your engine at redline after youve detonated then you have no place behind the wheel of a car. detonation doesnt throw rods.

i didnt mean that i hate the hyudai motors company (though i do) i meant i hate hyundai engines. they are cheap with garbage internals. even people on that other board said so.

[kliped]

Originally Posted by Reed

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.

dude you are definitly my most favorite person in the world, because even though pure facts are being thrown at you, you still dont seem to accept evidence. hmmm...do u feel a little jealous???

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by kwik26

A centrifugal compressor is used on centrifugal superchargers and turbos, they are the same type of compressor.

Roots type SCs use a complete different type of compressor, this is the one people think of usually when you say supercharger.

On both Turbos and Centrifugal SCs the compressor has plumbing between itself and the throttle body. The need for a Blow Off Valve is so that the compressed air in the plumbing does not create an excessive amount of back pressure when the Throttle Body is shut, ie when you come off the gas after hard accel, like when shifting.

Just because you come off the gas does not mean a SC stops boosting immediately, if you pull your foot off the gas while shifting at 6500 rpm with a centrifugal SC the Throttle Body suddenly closes all that extra pressure needs a place to escape, that's why centrifugal SCs need a BOV, for the same exact reasons that turbos do. If you have trouble understanding this you should do a little more homework on the 2 types of compressors.

Methanol injection cools intake charge, alot. But also it is alcohol, which is a fuel, so it works in 2 ways, cooling the intake charge as well as addition an additional fuel source. So you will see alot of power out of alcohol injection.

As for the RIPP mods Centrifugal SC on the Tiburon specifically, you are putting 9psi plus alcohol injection on top of a car already modified with intake, headers and exhaust, as they are required.

A Tib with I/H/E is good for about 170whp without fuel tuning. Fuel tuning on top of that will add even more. The engine really really reacts well to mods. So you can estimate your 9psi off 170whp, then get some more out of fuel tuning.

So assuming 170whp @ 14.7psi you then add your 9psi of boost off that.
((14.7+9)/14.7)*170=274 untuned wheel horse power.

For those who don't know from the factory the Tib is super rich, it is between 10:1 - 11:1 AFR. So with 274 untuned whp you can get a whole lot more power out of tuning it correctly. With proper tuning and the alcohol injection it is really easy to get it up to 311whp.

RIPP mods is a well know outfit that has had a great record with excellent tuning. To back up their claims on this system they videod the actual dyno run and also made videos of it running on the street as well as at the track.

There were 10 initial investors for RIPPs Tiburon project, and all 10 of those investors are getting comprable numbers with their setups, some have gotten even more HP with their tuning.

The delta engine is a very very solid tuning engine and reacts really well to mods. It has been dyno proven to get over 12whp from only a CAI. The head flows really well and the engine really loves boost.

You all are still forgetting the fact that IT TAKES ENERGY TO COMPRESS AIR. Turbochargers are usually about 70-80% efficent in creating their boost. This means that all other things being the same 1 atmosphere of boost will yeild 70% power gain. Positive displacement superchargers are in the 40-50% range and cyntrifical superchargers are in the 60-70% range. Screw type superchargers are in the 70-80% range untill they heat up at which point they drop down to the efficecy of a cyntrifical superchaerger. I never bashed this kid i asked a question and gave my opinion. Noob tib lovers started flaming so i showed them whats up.

RIPP claims 311whp from simply bolting on their kit. No new heads, no cat back exaust, just simply running 9psi from a belt driven cyntrifical supercharger and 60/40 methanol/water injection. and as far as methanol goes. its only advantage over ethanol and other alcohols is that it gives great cooilng to the intake. it only contains 60% of the potential thermal energy of gasoline. so other than the water slightly raising compression and the cooling effect of methanol gives, the extra octane doesnt do jack shit. Ripp didnt say 311whp with new heads and proper ECU tuning now did they? no. As i said some of their dyno charts are beleiveable. but tell me how the same exact car withthe sapposed same exact set up goes from around 260hp to 309 in the same day with almost exact conditions?

After throughly examining the kit the BOV is not to maintain boost pressure because boost doesnt fluctuate with a belt drive supercharger like it does with a turbo. because compressor speed is completely relative to engine speed. The faster the engine turns and needs air the faster the compresor turns and gives air. the BOV is used as a boost regulator so you can have the same effect as the use of a boost controller on a turbo via wastegate. When the throttle body shuts the engine slows down because it cant draw as much air there for the supercharger slows down and cant flow as much air. there is no need to vent excess air because there is no excess air. and if thesupercharger has the ability to run 12psi then why not run 12psi instead of 9psi? you are jsut wasteing energy compressing extra air.

as for your 170hp. that is 170bhp. BRAKE HORSE POWER. as in TO THE CRANK. You are actually getting around 152hp on average with a 5 speed; 148 with a 6 speed and 130 something with an auto to the wheels. so lets say the ocmpressor is working at 70% efficency (a very efficent belt driven supercharger if it is. and its just a basic vortech supercharger, nothing facy) so 9*.7=6.3/14.7=0.429 152*1.429=217hp. now water/methanol injection can do wonders. lets say a 20% power increase due to tempature drop and compression raising. sp 217*1.2=260whp. Now im not doubting freeing up the headers, heads, intake manifold, and cat back wont bring you over 300hp. it would probably bring it up over 320. And with cams even into 340hp. BUT 311whp FROM 9PSI AND WATER/METHANOL INJECTION ALL OTHER THINGS BEING THE SAME FROM 152whp IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

[landshark155mph]

well i dynoed @ 250WHP with 5psi thats stage 1 i have yet to put stage 2 on.

[Reed]

I'm not rejecting evidence. im saying that many of the comments on that hyundai board show peoples ignorance.