american muscle

[goldz28]

y2icon Nice sig and, I agree with 89 GM is coming out with some nice cars. But can we hold out till 07. Still 2 years away.

[y2icon]

thanks gold i love that avatar should be your sig

gm should bring back some more classics.
for some reason i feel we will not see the camaro til 08. i just have a bad feeling something will go wrong.
anyone think we will see a cobalt camaro and vet commerical?

[philly rs]

ok....im not a total ass, the numbers are great for that little car i never took a look at athe numbers i seemed to have a bit of a stomach cramp everytime i saw the thing and looked the other way ( because in my eyes the cobolt was a druged up cav.) but like i said the numbers speak for themselves. and while im at it i did see the new gto on tv last night and not only did it have the pipes on both sides but i think it was a 2 door [high five to chevy] im just sick of them turning good ideas into your moms everyday driver looks do count for something. you can supercharge a quest throw a nitrouse system in it and make it run great times but the bottom line is, its still a damn mini van!! thats the point i was trying to make. the numbers are great on all of those rides rs, but can we get the great sports car look to go with it?

[KaotiKCamaro5]

the Cobalt SS actually does look like a good ride, but it doesnt appeal to my taste.. i just cant shake the little brother to the Corvette theme.. and i think sometime we will see a commercial with GM's middle child.. all i have to say is that the 07 Camaro better have somethin special, because i dont like the route most car companies are going these days.. the charger and GTO werent a sedan and should never have been made into one.. that's just my opinion, and if things keep up, the corvette will die a 4 door boat..

[KPot2004]

the gto is a coupe, its only a 2 door

[KaotiKCamaro5]

but it looks like a fat grand prix.. lol

[92rs25th]

i'm only sad about its power for its looks...

[89IROC&RS]

yall do realize that camaros are 2 door sedans right????? check your registration if you dont believe me.

The fact is, the old muscle cars were defined by being family cars (aka grocery getters, minivans take your pick) that the dealerships put massive engines into, and firmer suspensions. well, look at the GTO, even if it does look like a grand prix, that they put a big engine into, and a firmer suspention, if you ask me, its the exact same spirt of the old muscle cars. no they dont have the same attitude. and no cars like the cobalt arent for everyone, thats why there are more than one model of each. I also agree that after seeing cars like the Impalla reduced to front wheel drive V6 cars i was very worried, but you have to look at GM management, when the '94-'96 B-body was killed, and turned into what it is now, almost all of GM managment were (and i mean this as no offence) women. These women were more concerned with grocery getters, saftey, and basicly all the stereotypical anti testosterone stuff. Well, thats not how it is anymore, new GM management is responceable for all the cars we are talking about. You have to remember that change dosnt happen over night, Its far to complicated for that, but GM is doing a drastic turnaround as far as market image and product offering is concerned, This dosnt mean that performance progress has stopped, this is the first step, and for me that holds bright hope for the future, say 2007 call me an optimist.

[drumcat]

Damnit it beats my Mini cooper S

[CORE402]

Originally Posted by 92rs25th

And what size of engine is that coming out of ?

Because mazda is going to release a 275Hp turbo 2.3 ( 4 banger obviously ) And I was wondering if the cobalt was better but it seems not.Maybe i will stick with the mazdaspeed 6.

The cobalt is a lot cheaper then the Mazdaspeed 6 and is faster then the 6. The Mazdaspeed 6 pulls a 6.2 while the Cobalt SS pulls a 6 flat. The Mazdaspeed 6 is not very impressive. The cobalt SS is 22,000 with the Mazdaspeed 6 going to be 28,000.

[y2icon]

i love the dodge magnum it looks great but at the end of the day its still a station wagon! this is why we shouldn't jump on the i hate the cobalt bandwagon. it might be compact or sub-compact but its going to take away from sales of imports. more money for gm could mean more money for new camaros. i am like rs and optimistic that GM can turn it all around and come out on top again

[tacoma man.]

i have heard some good things about the cobalt, its a sharp and sporty car, it isnt a granny and grocery car.

[SMOKEY818]

If the new camaro doesn't come out in 07 i'm going to buy me a 67 chevelle. but i'm praying that a new camaro comes out

[89IROC&RS]

very good point y2icon, never even thought of it that way. as far as the sales stolen from import sport compacts helping out the camaro.

[drvngstorm05]

the '05 GTO is incredibly badass, and i don't see how you guys down it because it doesn't have stand out body style, the GTO of the muscle car days stands out and looks aggressive to us because we didn't live in that time... at the time that was a very ordinary looking car. i, personally was one of the few to love the '04 GTO, but the '05 has new hood nostrils, dual exhaust(exiting out both sides), and 400hp!! and if it isn't aggressive enough looking for you, get the autocross package, which has a redone front end w/ better looking grilles, meaner fascia, different rear spoiler, and dual exhaust with dual tips. Not to mention the GTO raped the new Mustang in all performance aspects.

the cobalt also doesn't need to be downed like that, it is our best competition with the undeniable stronghold by the japanese automakers especially in the compact car area. not to mention it performs well for the compact car area, actually exceptionally well.

i personally have never had a problem with the hiatus of the camaro, the camaro sales were so weak in its last years that a new restyling was not gonna be able to save it. a few years down, completely new style, and dramatic reentrance to the competition will probably land the camaro very good sales.

just my guys