turbo charge and super charge

[Broke_as_****]

I think you did Zgringo, good job.

The engineer's have detuned our car's so far, almost anything well improve it's performance.

A-fuckin-men. Really, when you can pick up 40hp with just some exhaust and intake changes, thats pretty freakin sad...but...production costs and regulations...whatever...

[k3smostwanted]

yeah...i think you did a good job explaining but we all know the debate s gonna pop up again and again. so yeah....whatever...

[-The Stig-]

Zgringo needs to dumb it down a bit... he used too many big words. Like..."the" and "."


Internetians have been online so long, they've lost any use of proper sentence structure... dumb it down man... then you'll have their ears.

[Hodo]

Hey gringo I was just keeping it simple, not going all out like you..... I was tired and half-assed a answer.

Your right to an extent, on most street aps. unfortantly turbo lag still exists, it is minor but it is still there, and a Supercharger depending on the type (centrifigual, screw, or roots) will have different effeciancy responces. I personally am a fan of the old Roots style just becuase I like to see them sticking out of the hood of the old 32 coups and old school 50s-60s muscle cars. And Mad Max had a classic set up. Other than that Not all turbine engines use superchargers, or turbochargers. Pratt & Whittney has several engine types and some of their turbines dont have chargers, in the since like we have on some cars.

Anyway I perfer NA engines, more work to build up and keep up, less stuff that can go wrong.

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by Hodo

Hey gringo I was just keeping it simple, not going all out like you..... I was tired and half-assed a answer.

Your right to an extent, on most street aps. unfortantly turbo lag still exists, it is minor but it is still there, and a Supercharger depending on the type (centrifigual, screw, or roots) will have different effeciancy responces. I personally am a fan of the old Roots style just becuase I like to see them sticking out of the hood of the old 32 coups and old school 50s-60s muscle cars. And Mad Max had a classic set up. Other than that Not all turbine engines use superchargers, or turbochargers. Pratt & Whittney has several engine types and some of their turbines dont have chargers, in the since like we have on some cars.

Anyway I perfer NA engines, more work to build up and keep up, less stuff that can go wrong.

I'm not right to some extent, I'm totally right. The phrase "Turbo Lag" is used from lack of knowledge. It should be, "Spool-up or Spool-time", as thats whats happening. The engine is operating at 8:1 compression and at about 3,000RPM the turbo's "Spool-up" and you have 12:1+ compression and power.
There isn't one turbine engine in the world that uses a supercharger. All use a axeal flow compressor, not even the same thing.
As for P & W's piston engine's the R-3350 used on the B29's was the only engine they made with turbochargers, all the others were engine driven centrifical superchargers, as was the V1710 and 1650 used in the F-51 mustangs.
Your right about the old style GMC superchargers. They do look cool and were the root or beginning to what we have today.
This little toy had a 6-71 GMC supercharger with 2 850 dubble pumper's on top. Damn thing never would hook up.

[Hodo]

I see you and I werent talking about the same engines, you were talking about one type of engine I was talking about another type of engine. I was talking about a Jet turbine. Not a P51D engine, which were Merlins. The american engine in the Mustang (P51B) was a trash heap of a plane it was relegated to second line work and close air support becuase of its lack of altitude performance and slower speed than other engines in the air. (The Tuskegee Airmen flew 51Bs in North Africa after their tour in th P40s ended.)
The designation F51 was given to the plane after the Airforce was created in 49, this was to designate it as a Fighter, but it was replaced in this roll in Korea, the last war it served in with the US armed forces, by the F84 and the F86. The F51 became a attack plane or close air support craft (again) and was going to be redesignated the A-51, but was retired and replaced in that roll too, by the F84E.

And Turbo lag is a more commonly used term not a uneducated viewers term. And technicaly while the engines running on its 8:1 compression its not making full power correct? If that takes untill 3000+RPM to happen then its considered to be lagging, correct? Hince the term turbo lag, therefore it is a correct term to use in most situations, including this one.

The problem with that little toy was it was too ass light. Most T-Bucket type cars have that problem. I have seen people get around that by putting dead weight in the back of the car by welding lead bars on the back of the frame. But even then it doesnt help much.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Hodo

I have seen people get around that by putting dead weight in the back of the car by welding lead bars on the back of the frame. But even then it doesnt help much.

dud u ned teh uber wing maed from CF yo! ndz som 22 intch blingazz rims heelp hooc teh weelz up DUED TEN GIT NOS!

Anyway...

[Hodo]

funny Broke, almost didnt know what you were talking about.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Hodo

funny Broke, almost didnt know what you were talking about.

Mission Accomplished.

ANY-FREAKIN-WAY...

Originally Posted by Z32TT_maniac

they are not quite similar are they? and which one spool harder..one of my friend told me the super charge spool much harder..he said a V8 car with a super charge is just like a V12 car..wat the phuck!!!??? dats bullshiet

Superchargers don't spool at all because they use direct drive methods to power them. But that has been answered. As for what is best for what, well thats application specific. Define a goal and build towards that.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

Superchargers don't spool at all because they use direct drive methods to power them.

Now that doesn't sound right. But frankly its midnight and I don't care.

[Zgringo]

Hodo I'm well aware of the P or F-51, I flew them in Korea for a year then spent the next 2 years in F86 Saberjets.
The P-51 had two engines, the Packard-RollsRoyce and Merlins. There piston engines. The first production jet engine was a J33 used in the P-80 ShootingStar later changed to the F-80 and the trainer a T-33.
From the very first jet turbine engine, they used a axeial flow compressor. The J47 was the first to use a multi stage compressor with 11 stages of compression. Never has any manufacture made a jet engine with a supercharger. Even today the modern jets use whats called a fan jet but it's still the same type as used in the earlier days. The name Turbo jet has nothing to do with turbochargers or superchargers whatsoever.
Trust me on this one. I've stated on other posts I'm a pilot. I have over 33,000 hours and I have a ATP in fixed wing & rotorcraft helicoptor, type rated in 35 different aircraft, an A&P plus a IA rating. When I wasn't racing I was a test pilot for McDonald Douglas in St Louis. I retired from flying when PanAm went tits up as a Captain. I have a Masters in Aero. Engineering and a minor in Metallurgy Engineering. But my greatest love was cars and racing and thats where I spent a good share of my life.
Now if you want to talk about J79's or R4360, R-3350, Alison 250, J-47, name what ever you desire.
I'm very limited in my world knowledge except when it comes to planes and cars. I spent many years in R&D in the aircraft and automobile field. I was called on by different mfg. to help with problems. My motto is, " The difficult I do now, the impossable takes alittle longer". It might sound cold but I deal in facts and facts only. I've seen bad things happen trying without testing theory's.
I'm not pickin on you, It's just when anyone says something that isn't correct, I'll help them, and when I say something I'll do everything in my power to add some facts to back up what I say. When I don't know I'll tell you so. I got on one of the guys shit with a cracked wheel, because I didn't want to see him get hurt or worse. Anyone, including me, giving wrong or bad info. could cost someone their life.

Hodo, Now I want you and all the rest of the Zss holes out there to have a Happy Thankgiving. Lov ya'll

Albert

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Zgringo

I flew them in Korea for a year then spent the next 2 years in F86 Saberjets.

I've stated on other posts I'm a pilot. I have over 33,000 hours and I have a ATP in fixed wing & rotorcraft helicoptor, type rated in 35 different aircraft, an A&P plus a IA rating.

When I wasn't racing I was a test pilot for McDonald Douglas in St Louis. I retired from flying when PanAm went tits up as a Captain.

I have a Masters in Aero. Engineering and a minor in Metallurgy Engineering.

But my greatest love was cars and racing and thats where I spent a good share of my life.

I spent many years in R&D in the aircraft and automobile field. I was called on by different mfg. to help with problems.

Umm...I can change oil...and I usually remember to put the drain plug back in.

*sighs and goes back to playing with marbles*


Should think about writing a book Al.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

Umm...I can change oil...and I usually remember to put the drain plug back in.

whoaaaaa, DUUUUDE. i hda ddi dat shieeet oncccee & myi motor wen KABLOOOEEEEEE!!!!! DAT SUK CUZ I COont drizive my WHIP n 22" spinnas. dat car was mADDD TITE YO!!!

err...sorry. anyways. i know nothing about airplanes. (i think that is what you guys were discussing).

[Zgringo]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

Umm...I can change oil...and I usually remember to put the drain plug back in.

*sighs and goes back to playing with marbles*


Should think about writing a book Al.

I try...but the last time didn't go so well. phone rang...went back to change...put in 3 qts. ..checked it...added 1 more...checked it again...nothing on the stick...something wrong here...looked under the car...big puddle of oil....nice move Albert, forgot the drain plug.

*sighs...can I play marbles with you*

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Zgringo

*sighs...can I play marbles with you*

I would let you.

But I can't play marbles anymore.

I lost them all.

Damn it.