hmmmmm......V6?

[vette_7t9]

its kinda like which person tends to be stronger? with smaller displacement engines representing a smaller person, and vice versa, the logical reasoning would be larger person can benchpress more. BUT a smaller person can be made to be that powerful, through strenuous excercise, which in the engine world equals to tuning. so hope that explains why theres no replacement for displacement.

BTW, those damn vtec kids...technology replaces displacement my ass. tune a 4.6 as good as you tune a friggin 2.0, and you still get more power. much more.

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by vette_7t9

that would be a great idea. but again......cost? at a sub 20K car....

i guess the cheapest way to make power is to enlarge displacement. there is no replacement for displacement!! cheaper to enlarge the engine than to tune the intake and exhaust, or even chip it.

is it possible to have a sub 15 second V6, stock??

yes there is, weight and gearing. If thereis no replacement then why is a 1.8l Type-4 running mid-high14's yet a 4.0 mustang only low 15's? because of WEIGHT AND GEARING

and if you wanna go vs a GT a 2000 ITR can hit a 14.5 with 1.8 i4 but a GT will only run a 13.9-14.0? is only .5-6 faster then a i4

and the itr will kill both car on the autoX

a better example is the 00 Si(1.6l) vs the 02 Si(2.0l): The 02 makes the same hp at lower rpm, and makes more tq yet it is slower then the 00 Si because it weights more and isnt as well geared.

[eillob]

Originally Posted by vette_7t9

that would be a great idea. but again......cost? at a sub 20K car....

i guess the cheapest way to make power is to enlarge displacement. there is no replacement for displacement!! cheaper to enlarge the engine than to tune the intake and exhaust, or even chip it.

is it possible to have a sub 15 second V6, stock??

Yeah I agree with that. Maybe I should be like burly and look into a 351W.

[zx2srdotnet]

SHO was a Stock v6 that would hit 14's
with free intake mods and weight redux a v6 stang can hit 14's

[eillob]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

SHO was a Stock v6 that would hit 14's
with free intake mods and weight redux a v6 stang can hit 14's

I've never seen an SHO take the 1/4 but I have drivin one. Mid to high 14's sounds about right.

I don't know about this V6 stang hitting 14's even with the mods you speak of. What year V6 are you talking about?

[zx2srdotnet]

2000, a company hd a ringer "stock" do a high 14, they emptied the trunk, removed back seat, and did free intake mods then got 14.8(?)

[KingCalibra]

Originally Posted by vette_7t9

BTW, those damn vtec kids...technology replaces displacement my ass. tune a 4.6 as good as you tune a friggin 2.0, and you still get more power. much more.

Yeah, but can you put a 4.6 into a stock chassis and keep it under 3000 lbs?

And why must the Muscle Car Guys mess with the Tuners so much? Both sides of the coin are equally as worthy. I just read an article in this month's HCI magazine about an Acura RSX that ran a 9.86 @ 140mph, and a Honda CRX that ran an 11.07 @ 121mph, both running ALL MOTOR, so that totally blows your "technology can't replace dispacement" theory out of the water.

People need to stop thinking that the size of the motor is the only thing that you need to be concerned with when choosing a car to race. Have you ever looked at the power to weight ratio on an import car? Especially the higher-end ones (RSX, Integra, Supra, CRX Si, etc.) It's staggering!

Now compare that to, let's say, a Mustang. While a Mustang may have 250+ hp, it also weighs more! Take a Dodge SRT-4 and put them on a strip, the SRT-4 (stock) will hammer a Mustang, not because it has more power, but just simply because it's hauling alot less weight around. (a stock SRT-4 runs high 13's stock)

Don't get me wrong, you can't beat a v-8 in terms of power. (and the sound of a V-8 is wonderful, but stop being so one-sided, and finally realize that you aren't the only ones that can build a fast cars. And that there's nothing wrong with being a "Tuner".... Just like there's nothing wrong with building a muscle car.

[zx2srdotnet]

honestly all i get reving at me is mustnag GT's and Cobras. I've never had any hondas, or nissans mess with me. What sup with that.

[gmartinez]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

what i dont get is Ford puts a 3.0l 220hp v6 in a SHO but only 150hp in a 3.8l v6 Mustang, and 215 from a v8? After looking at the Yamaha motor ford ovbiously knows how to make a 220+hp v6, and 10yrs later the 4.0l is still only at 210hp. The SHO v6 has put ever v6 in a ford since then to shame. it even has more power then the j-spc that probe drivers love

What about the SVO?

[eillob]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

honestly all i get reving at me is mustnag GT's and Cobras. I've never had any hondas, or nissans mess with me. What sup with that.

I don't know whats up with that. Maybe your escort intimidates them.

And as far as your comment Kingcalibra, I would love to see this article on an Acura RSX running 9's at 140mph or a CRX running 11's at 121. Talk is cheap where is your proof? What mag, article and page did you see this? Because that sounds like total BS to me. NO power adder? Prove it.

And as far as your SRT-4 Neon goes, I raced and beat one in a convertible. He ran a 14.3 against my 13.7 go figure.

Don't get me wrong if your into tuners thats fine. What I don't like about tuners is all the bench racin and lying that seems to follow.
Huge mufflers, all the stickers and of course don't forget the huge unpainted all aluminum wing on the deck lid.
What most of these tuners around here forget is that all that crap doesn't make you fast. What makes you fast is the thousands of dollars in high performance high tech parts and equipment that needs to go under the hood to make that small displacement motor not only keep up with that V8 but outrun it. Can it be done of course it can, you put enough money in anything and you can outrun whatever you want.

Bottom line muscle cars can run faster times in the 1/4 with a lot less money. Period

Autozone decorations and big wings don't win races.

[andrewespo]

I thought this was the mustang forum, why is everyone talking about economy cars.

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by gmartinez

What about the SVO?

I was talking about non-FI cars

[thunderbird muscle]

There is a replacement for displacement. Its called money! If you put the same amount of money into a v8 as you did in a tuner then who would when the V8 of course!

[KingCalibra]

Originally Posted by eillob

I don't know whats up with that. Maybe your escort intimidates them.

And as far as your comment Kingcalibra, I would love to see this article on an Acura RSX running 9's at 140mph or a CRX running 11's at 121. Talk is cheap where is your proof? What mag, article and page did you see this? Because that sounds like total BS to me. NO power adder? Prove it.

And as far as your SRT-4 Neon goes, I raced and beat one in a convertible. He ran a 14.3 against my 13.7 go figure.

Don't get me wrong if your into tuners thats fine. What I don't like about tuners is all the bench racin and lying that seems to follow.
Huge mufflers, all the stickers and of course don't forget the huge unpainted all aluminum wing on the deck lid.
What most of these tuners around here forget is that all that crap doesn't make you fast. What makes you fast is the thousands of dollars in high performance high tech parts and equipment that needs to go under the hood to make that small displacement motor not only keep up with that V8 but outrun it. Can it be done of course it can, you put enough money in anything and you can outrun whatever you want.

Bottom line muscle cars can run faster times in the 1/4 with a lot less money. Period

Autozone decorations and big wings don't win races.

Go to http://members.cardomain.com/kingcalbira69 and look at my car... it should describe perfectly my take on the Tuner Scene.

The yellow sticker you see on the side of my car is simply my sponsor, "MLK-Tuning" ( http://www.mlk-tuning.de 'they are pretty good at making stupid cars go fast' lol), and notice the complete absence of that retarded-ass wing. (as a matter of fact, my car has no spoiler.) I guess you could say I've taken a more "Adult" approach to tuning my car.

All of the additions on the outside of the car serve a purpose. To increase aerodynamics on an already aerodynamic car. (0.26 drag co-efficient) The suspension has been dropped and stiffened up to near race-car proportions. (sucks on bumpy roads. lol)

As far as performance mods go for the engine, they still remain mild, simply because it costs about 33% more to tune this car than it does for a Rice burner, simply because of the 16% tax in Germany, and the current Dollar to Euro exchange rate, so progress has been slow.

But I never lose focus on the main objectives... Speed, and Handling.... Apperance is secondary to me, but not unimportant. Personally, I don't care how fast a car is. If it's just a rusted out bucket of bolts with a bad-ass engine in it, it's still a rusted out bucket of bolts.......

As far as my other project, you may appreciate it a little more....

I'm currently getting ready to start working on a 5.0 engine swap into a Ford (Merkur in the US) Scorpio. We'll see where that goes. I will post picks on the forum as it progresses....

And as far as the RSX and the CRX go. Look in this month's issue of HCI: Hot Compact & Imports (Volume 5 Number 12 December 2004) in the "HCI Hot News" Section on page 8 for the CRX, and page 10 for the RSX....

OR, you can go to HCI's website and behold the 6 second Toyota Solara ( http://www.hcimagazine.com/News.asp?ID=15 ) or the 10 second ALL MOTOR Acura Integra ( http://www.hcimagazine.com/News.asp?ID=13 )

I don't BS about anything....

[KingCalibra]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

honestly all i get reving at me is mustnag GT's and Cobras. I've never had any hondas, or nissans mess with me. What sup with that.

Prolly cuz it's a Ford, too... That would be my only guess... I drive an opel, and i would rev at you too. Escorts are kinda seen as jokes around here....