Four more years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crazy_ugly_coyote]

i dont necessarly agree with required military setrvice, but maybe like what germany has, and required government service where you have the choice of what you want to do. also by starting this thread i had no intention of stepping on anybody's toe's. and i appologize for this. i appologize that some of you are bitchy fuckers. if you dont like the team get the fuck out of the stadium!!! and dont threaten to kick the shit out of me Mozin! you need to take a step back and put everything into perspective!!! i have had friends and family serve oer in Iraq. one of whom has died. so dont fuckin say shit!!!!!! go to canada smoke a bowel and be fucking glad that you had the oppurtinity to serve for this fine nation. once again if i could get my medical waiver for my hearibng (which i am still trying to do) i would have been over there years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i for one am proud to be an American, and would follow Bush tio the end of the earth.

[rodbls]

Originally Posted by Elchicoloco86

that is how most everyone feels when they go to choose, if you really wanted to not go evil, then everyone woulda voted for NADER but he got ousted out of his own party

the whole kerry couldn't have communion, thats kinda big, bcuz if he won't stick w/ his own faith, then what will he stick with?


and so you know, you sign up, you'd better be prepared to pack up and move, it doesn't matter if you've "changed your views" Live with it, it was your choice and we don't want to hear your whining attitude, that or move to canada.

I look forward to the day that i can serve my country with honor and humility, and not whine like a fuckin' panzy and dishonor my family. i'll support you but don't complain about doing your job, imo we should have a setup like Israel where everyone is required to serve in the military for 2 years or something like that

My dad is in South Korea and their military is set up like that. Bad idea because you get idiots put in the system that could care less about what they are doing, and thats the last thing you want when your countries safety is at stake. Drafting and required service are bad ideas. So long as pay increases stay on, I dont feel we will need to change out military set up. Im also against Canadian Drugs...anyone else?

[FairyDust]

Originally Posted by mozingod

I'm not going to start a huge bitch session here debating back and forth to find out which one of the candidates is the lesser evil, but I will defend my comment on Iraq. The reason I have every right to bitch about something like that is because I fucking put in 4 years of my life to protect piece of shit people like you who have the nerve to tell me "not to bitch about going to Iraq". Let me tell you something there bud....FUCK YOU!! I wish you were in front of me right now so I can punch the living shit out of lazy bitches like you. Did you have to endure the 120 degree weather, getting shot at, having a missile hit 50 miles outside your base...only to find out it failed to detonate...had it detonated you would have been killed instantly, being thousands of miles away from home...loved ones...children...anything and everything you ever cared about, wishing every night that you would wake up to see the next day, or just wanting to sit back and watch T.V. No...I didn't think so. While you’re fucked up eye sight kept you from all these horrible things, and thankfully let you be safe in the U.S., I unfortunately had to deal with all these problems. Any service member who proudly served over in Iraq or anywhere for that matter has every right to say whatever he or she wants to. People like you make me sick to think I helped keep douche bags like you safe.

As for the wife that gave her 2 cents, I wish your husband the best and for a safe return to the U.S.A. I knew what I signed up for the day I raised my right hand, but now 4 years later my outlook has changed on what I once thought was the right thing to do. Maybe you should watch eminems new video titled "mosh". Here is a web site to it:
http://video.artistdirect.com/

all of our views change over time. All I'm sayin is that when you join you always know its a consequence. I have no clue how many friends of mine wound up in afghanistan and they were all like damn I never thought I'd go to war. I didn't say shit to them but I was thinkin uh dude you joined the military.

You have done your time and you have your right to an opinion. I have friends serving a year in iraq that just left a month ago. It royally sucks. They are all home sick, worry about their families, their wives worry about them, etc. My god the first week they were there a guy got killed, I have no idea how many knots Ih ad in my stomach wondering if it was a friend. I've lost a friend and a friend of a friend to these damn wars. So I'm definitely one of the last people to back this war.

I didn't watch the video, probably watch it next time I'm online during the day cause I don't want to wake people up.

[johnnyBgood]

I spent 5 years in the Marines and got out 2.5 years ago when we were still operating in Afghanistan. I can tell you this, the President has his own objectives in mind for Iraq, not America's best interests. I have served in a time of war, and do not intend to do so again. Not that I am afraid, but I have my own beliefs in the military and thir mission for America, not the President (get's more complicated from there).

Me believing in America, and realizing my dreams is something that I have always strived for. And my loyalty to America is not to be questioned, as I have already served and was discharged honorably. But I also have my own mindset about the "leaders" of this country. They forget that WE are the bosses of this nation, including the President. Following someone blindly only gives that person more power and the opportunity to be corrupt. QUESTION THEM! That is the only way to get them to be able to explain their actions, don't follow their words, as ALL politicians are liars.

Question the leaders of the country. Do research on your own, find out the truth, and challenge the congressional and Presidential leaders of this fine country to improve the nation, not lead it to war.

If this "war on terror" continues, there will not be much of an all volunteer military left. I joined because college was not an option for me, and the Marines gave me free technical training and also paid for 80% of my schooling. It is a good deal, and though I served thru war, I am not complaining. But to see all the Marines I know still in (including my little brother) and their service, I do not see them staying in just to be shipped back overseas to fight another war, or to have their tours continued.

The draft is already in Congress, and I have read it. It will be voted upon next year. And to have the all volunteer military continuously being depleted like it is, Bush will not be able to keep his wars going.

When Bush first sent us to Afghanistan, he told the nation that this "war on terror" will take at least 8-12 years before completion. After he said that, my estimated life span dropped dramatically.

[FairyDust]

you are definitely right on questioning everything they do. I think in the beginning (with afghanistan) Bush had a reason. But with Iraq, I have never seen a reason for it. And its stupid because now no matter what we do, when we leave Iraq (if we ever do) its just gonna turn into another afghanistan and breed terrorists now because we attacked their country without a real reason.

I heard that the army has put a stop loss on or whatever, like people can't get out right now. I don't know if its true or not. But thats what a friend in iraq was telling me before he left a month and a half ago.

And yeah bringing back the draft or requiring military service will just bring down the quality of our military. I never joined because of a medical reason and also I'm not good at taking orders. I guess I would if I absolutely had to, but I can be a real bitch and I'm not one to really respect command and all that stuff. Hell, I told our previous commanders wife and her stupid snotty bitchy little spouses club where they could stick it. Of course my husband could've gotten yelled at for it, but no one said anything to him surprisingly. I had just had it though and I dind't give a rats ass who her husband was. So basically if they brought back the draft or I was forced to do 2yrs, I'd probably be a real bitch every step of the way. I'd make life hell for people and thats just me, if I ain't happy I'll make sure you ain't happy either


What are you talking about canadian drugs rodbls?

[mozingod]

The only thing I am pissed about is being called a bitch for not wanting to go to war. If you really want to go to war then cool...go for it. I went and came back safely, and I wish that for all the service members over there. Main thing I'm saying is...I have the right to complain about going there...why....cause thats me and I put in the time and effort to be over there and I did nothing but fill and empty sandbags for 3 months. Ask any former marine in 2/6 who was over there with me and they will tell you the exact same thing. The most pointless 3 months I ever served. I got to see some cool shit and get the awards for it and say I was in war..but I'm not a materialistic person. In my own opinion..I didn't WANT to go to war(I knew there was a chance), but I DID. Thats all I'm saying...point blank. I don't care for bush or kerry, so I hope bush can't fix shit and make it better. It's like the song off the Team america movie says,
"America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

FUCK YEAH!"

[rodbls]

Canadian drugs...are you serious. You have no idea what i'm talking about when i say im against Canadian drugs? Wow, an ignorant country.

Anyways, It was a big push for the Kerry campaign to lower drug costs by importing them from Canada. However, as many of us have seen in the past, Canadian drugs often turn out to be something they are not. Since they have no restrictions, or FDA approvals, there is no telling what the hell is in that little pink pill marked "Benadryl"...for all we know it could be corn starch. The point is, The brunt of what Kerry had to say about health care is full of shit, because there is no way that ANY country can get out of a deficit by promising tax cuts to everyone, and giving free healthcare to all. That is just an idiotic way of thinking...but then again, i didnt really pay much attention to it because it came from Kerry.

If anyone has 5 min to do nothing but laugh their asses off, go to this site and click on the link. http://www.wabcradio.com/listingsent...8&PT=WABC+News . It's pretty damn funny

[dickswhip00gs]

theres good chronic from canada

[Igovert500]

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If you can't handle that, don't post.

[taranaki]

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