**News Flash** Fontal Impact Standards rolling Protest

[Setanta]

Originally posted by tazdev


And the names of the 2 car companies that were 100% bhind this law change were . . . .
suprise suprise
Ford and Holden :finger4:

You mean the two companies that are being supported by the Australian govt. by import duties and import laws? Why do you think we have issues getting imports in here? 'Cause if the govt didn't regulate imports then those two companies would have to drop their car prices or go bust.

[Jimster]

I still think that this ban is a good idea IF they make that magical exception for performance cars, mainly because every road fatality I see involves a Presea or Corolla LX thingee.

Still I willl be glad to seee the back of some Jap imports

[Buzzr]

Originally posted by taranaki


Oh.....and bomb the fuck out of Northland,too!:finger: :finger:

:finger4: :finger4: :finger4: :finger4: :finger4:

[Setanta]

Kiwi's have bombs? Didn't they get phased out... with the rest of your defence force? :finger: :finger:

[tazdev]

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
I still think that this ban is a good idea IF they make that magical exception for performance cars, mainly because every road fatality I see involves a Presea or Corolla LX thingee.

Still I willl be glad to seee the back of some Jap imports

I will stick my neck out here in this area and say that it is not the cars you mentioned that are involved in the majority of fatalities it is HONDAS the majority of major road fatalities in New Zealand the deceased person would be in the honda (the worst being the CRX)

there is no malice intended in what I have said, I am simply stating the facts.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by tazdev


I will stick my neck out here in this area and say that it is not the cars you mentioned that are involved in the majority of fatalities it is HONDAS the majority of major road fatalities in New Zealand the deceased person would be in the honda (the worst being the CRX)

there is no malice intended in what I have said, I am simply stating the facts.

YES!!!! We only have to remember back to last year when those 3 teens were killed when thier CRX was struck by a logging truck.

Then there is the City, pre 92 Civic, pre 89 Accord, pre 93 Prelude and eariler Integra's

but in all fairness the later models are pretty bloody solid

[Setanta]

Any hatch that gets hit by a semi is going to have issues with death

Interesting stats on the Hondas... of course, Hondas are a minority in Australia so the stats here wouldn't support your argument.

Then again, I remember driving a '70s Scorpion and getting hit by a Volvo in the rear. The Volvo flew to pieces and one of the kids in it was really badly hurt. The Scorpion had the bumper pushed forwards a few centimeters and I was unhurt. Go figure

All or nothing - either the car passes the impact or it doesn't. Just because it's a performance car shouldn't be an exemption. Thats why the GTRs etc here have to meet Aussie impact standards. Of course, if the roads were better and driver ed was improved, you could fix the issue just as well

[Jimster]

Originally posted by Setanta
Any hatch that gets hit by a semi is going to have issues with death



Then again, I remember driving a '70s Scorpion and getting hit by a Volvo in the rear. The Volvo flew to pieces and one of the kids in it was really badly hurt. The Scorpion had the bumper pushed forwards a few centimeters and I was unhurt. Go figure

Bullshit a VOLVO!!!!!!!! I remember seeing and Accent craching into a 245GL (?) and the Accent was totalled where as the Volvo didn't have a scratch.

BTW Another major Kiwi killer VN/VP Commodore and EA/EB Falcon

[dejoux]

I for one would like to stick up for CRX's.

Owning one I always hear about how unsafe they are, I accept that theyre not the strongest cars on the road but especially the del sol passed all crash regulations set at the time.

That logging truck example is not really relevant, name me one car that can be hit from the side by a logging truck at 100kmh and anyone get out of it.

For another thing NZ like most countries except for america Hondas are not in the majority on the road.

How is banning these cars going to make the roads any safer, take me for example. A del sol was what I wanted to buy and it took me aalong time to find one but eventually I did, now with this new law del sols wont be able to be imported, does that mean that if I was looking in a years time instead of a few months ago that I would go out and buy a 1997 car? Of course not I couldnt afford it now and I certainly wont then, I would go out and buy a 2G CRX which is ultimately a less safe car. NZ is too small to influence the world market the 96+ cars so theyre not going to get any cheaper.

This will influence the safety of cars on NZ roads, itll make them worse for the next 15 years until all the 92-96 cars are destroyed over time.

This will affect european cars as well, its not good for anyone unless you are Ford or Holden.

The problem with the NZ road toll is not what the government is focusing on, its because of the bad roads and unskilled drivers, not the cars which are the safest weve ever had

[Buzzr]

Originally posted by dejoux
That logging truck example is not really relevant, name me one car that can be hit from the side by a logging truck at 100kmh and anyone get out of it.

taranaki's geriatric diesel van

[Jimster]

Originally posted by dejoux



That logging truck example is not really relevant, name me one car that can be hit from the side by a logging truck at 100kmh and anyone get out of it.

Renault Laguna II, Volvo's, Saab's later model Merc's, Peugeot's, BMW's and VW's


But really I don't think they should ban ANY European cars because they have had to go through tough regulations all throughout Europe

Then there is the issue of not enough cars to go around which is nothing really because we all know that Jap Imports are still far outnumbered by NZ New cars and then there is the big rush of cars coming in trying to beat the deadline, and lets not forget by 2010 depreciation would have hit hard on most Jap imports (Post 1996) putting us back to where we are now only with a lower road tolldue to teh high amount of stronger cars.

Let's all not forget taht Holdens and Fords are all NZ New which means of course they won't lose out.

But I benefit nicely from this rule (1. Because they don't have 6O7's in Japan and 2. I am only living here another 2 1/2 months) so I guess that you guys think that my opinion is irrelevant

[dejoux]

Jimmy_11_cars:

I think your forgetting one point.

This new law isnt going to result in more post 96 cars in the country or make them any cheaper all its going to do is lower the number of 92-96 cars here.

No more people will drive 96+ after the law than before it, more people will have to drive pre 92 cars though.

Eventually (10 years or so) there will be no difference from this but until then more NZers will be driving cars that arnt as safe.

And then theres the point that lots of people will lose their jobs because of it, not just car dealers, itll be people that import them, wharfies, people who compliance them etc etc

[Setanta]

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars

Bullshit a VOLVO!!!!!!!! I remember seeing and Accent craching into a 245GL (?) and the Accent was totalled where as the Volvo didn't have a scratch.

A Scorpion is hardly an Accent. Scorpions were 1970s 2 door hardtop Sigmas built by Chrysler/Mitsubishi. Have a good look at the suckers, they are heavier than a Sigma etc for one reason: solid steel, no plastic and a distinct lack of impact zones.

Now feel free to dispute it all you want, but I was in the Scorpion and you were in another country, so I guess I know who's got an idea and who's sprouting BS in this instance :finger:

please note the in the :finger:

[Jimster]

Oops what I was meant to describe was an Accent vs Volvo collision I saw

Let that be a lesson don't type while hung over folks

[Setanta]

lol