Ban pit bull dogs.

[kcg795]

I think they should exterminate the Pit Bull breed altogether. The reason they are so aggressive is because their heads are too small for their brain. So they get headaches. Wouldn't this make you aggressive too? If they could at least modify the Pit Bull breed in some way, then they'd be much better dogs. But for now, I think the Pit Bull can be done away with.

[Suislide]

Originally Posted by kcg795

I think they should exterminate the Pit Bull breed altogether. The reason they are so aggressive is because their heads are too small for their brain. So they get headaches. Wouldn't this make you aggressive too? If they could at least modify the Pit Bull breed in some way, then they'd be much better dogs. But for now, I think the Pit Bull can be done away with.

you don't have a heart.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by kcg795

I think they should exterminate the Pit Bull breed altogether. The reason they are so aggressive is because their heads are too small for their brain. So they get headaches. Wouldn't this make you aggressive too? If they could at least modify the Pit Bull breed in some way, then they'd be much better dogs. But for now, I think the Pit Bull can be done away with.

How about we exterminate you b/c of your ridiculous remarks? Would that be fair?

[lamehonda]

Originally Posted by kcg795

I think they should exterminate the Pit Bull breed altogether. The reason they are so aggressive is because their heads are too small for their brain. So they get headaches. Wouldn't this make you aggressive too? If they could at least modify the Pit Bull breed in some way, then they'd be much better dogs. But for now, I think the Pit Bull can be done away with.

....This has been my argument for the extermination of the persian cat. Their noses are embedded in their brains which causes them to be extremely stupid.

PS. I know nothing about dogs because my dad wouldn't let me have one growing up.

[2strokebloke]

Dogs are stupid. Let's just get rid of them all, we could spend the money that people use to feed dogs to take care of orphans and starving children. Or maybe 200 goldfish and 45 parakeets.

[Jas_M]

Originally Posted by kcg795

I think they should exterminate the Pit Bull breed altogether. The reason they are so aggressive is because their heads are too small for their brain. So they get headaches. Wouldn't this make you aggressive too? If they could at least modify the Pit Bull breed in some way, then they'd be much better dogs. But for now, I think the Pit Bull can be done away with.

What a fucking moron. Pit Bulls become vicious/aggressive mainly for these two reasons:
1) They are trained to attack other dogs/people
2) They receive no socialization or obedience training whatsoever.

Also, some dogs are just born psychos. It happens. But it's not something that affects a whole breed of dog.
Any dog can be turned into a vicious one. My wife's grandmother owns a little 8 lb. chihuahua, and it's one of the meanest little S.O.B.'s i've ever come across. Why? Because it spends 90% of it's time locked in a cage or small pen, and rarely ever sees anyone aside from the grandmother. All it knows is it's little territory and it's owner, so anyone that comes around is perceived as a threat. It's had next to no socialization, and zero obedience training. So of course it will not be able to recognize what is a real threat and what isn't.
I've met quite a few pit bulls, and nont once has one of them growled or even taken a defensive posture with me. Does that mean i'd hop into their yard or enter their home by myself? Hell no, because the dog will protect what it considers to be it's property. This is something else that most people forget, and most dogs will do this. And the reason pit bull attacks are so bad is because the dogs are so powerful. Obviously the damage is going to be more severe than an attack by the aforementioned chihuahua, especially when the pit weighs anywhere from 10 to 15 times as much. Bigger teeth + bigger muscles +bigger dog = greater damage.
Another thing people do (especially kids) is just walk up to a strange dog and try to pet it. These people are morons, and their kids deserve to get bit. Gee, i'm surprised this strange dog snapped at me. Why would it do that? I just wanted to pet it. Well, look at it from the dog's point of view. Strange person comes up to me. Strike one. Stranger starts reaching for me. Strike two. Stranger begins to touch me. Strike three. I'm going to bite now.
Plain and simple, the only time you ever hear about Pits is when one of them attacks someone. You never hear about the nice ones who participate in therapy work, or excel in competitions such as sled pulling. The media knows an easy way to get some attention and ratings is to say there was a horrific pit bull attack. Invariably, the dog is usually owned by some thug or other type of low-life. Mean dogs are made mean thru abuse, or training, not because they are inherently dangerous. Don't believe me? Go to a dog show and seek out the pit bulls. I guarantee you'll be able to pet 95% of them with no problem. Just remember to ask the owner first.

[landyacht]

According to the Barrie Examiner, in the midst of Ontario's debate about banning the breed, a man was attacked on Wednesday afternoon by a pitbull.

In the same article, they talk to a woman who says the dogs simply require more training and socialization than othe dogs... put that into the mix and they're fine according to her (owner of 2 dogs).

Just something else interesting to throw into the mix.

[MagicRat]

As stated above, the news has reported and documented quite a lot of attacks by these dogs. The nature and viciousness of the attacks is very disturbing.
It's fine to say that its the fault of the owners, that the dogs are not socialised properly, or owners train them to be mean, but where is the accountability, if the dog is roaming free and attacks and the owner can't be found?

In a city park near my home this past summer several dogs have been viciously attacked by a free roaming pit bull that delights in killing other dogs. No pit bull owner in sight.

Who compensates the injured victims, or relatives after an attack, if the owner has no insurance and little money?

I am afraid I am not on the fence anymore on this one. People are forbidden by law to do potentially dangerous things (regardless of how responsible they may be) , such as leave propane BBQ tanks inside their homes, drive mechanically unsafe vehicles, discharge firearms within city limits etc.

These dogs are like that unsafe car or stray bullet; a death or injury waiting to happen. Ban them all.

[twospirits]

Jas_M pointed out very good points.

My past dog had been a victim a bit pull attack and I agree that its the owners that do not know how to take care of these powerful breeds. I had a doberman which I was holding for a friend until a home was founded for it. I was a bit weary since at the time I heard that dobie can be rough animals for protection (as shown in the movies) but I took it in and ended up keeping her after finding out that she was the nicest well trained dog I have ever had. Never once did she act aggressive to anyone or anything. In fact she was a bit too playful.
There was this guy that had a baby/midsize pit pull which refuse to place it on a lease and everyone was aware that he did not have a care in the world. One day I'm walking my dobie and bingo I see the pit bull across the street and he sees my dobie and runs over and attacks. Whats territorial about that? Across the street. Why was it not on a lease? Questions I've asked over and over. My dobie tried as much to protect it self and I almost got injured seperating them. Eventually we got them seperated and my dobie had to undergo surgery to fix her right check from the maul. I notified the cops and since they are property nothing came out of it. It was then that I realized how dangerous the breeds can be. They are probably nice but more and more I see others use them as protectors and yet the owners can't really handle them at all. I am a animal lover and do not like to see harm come to any living creature, but damn if I was filled with rage and wanted that dog dead as well as really give the owner a freaking beating. Could be that that pit bull was just psycho, but I've seen others very similar so I've come to not like the breed and consider them too much of a danger (at least in a city setting).
Owners have to be more accountable and if it continues then cities and counties will do whatever is necessary to protect the public. Hence the reason for the ban.

TS out

[Jas_M]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

It's fine to say that its the fault of the owners, that the dogs are not socialised properly, or owners train them to be mean, but where is the accountability, if the dog is roaming free and attacks and the owner can't be found?

If the dog is roaming free, it's not the dog's fault. The owner is the one who is supposed to keep the dog either on a leash, or securely confined within their home or yard.

Originally Posted by MagicRat

Who compensates the injured victims, or relatives after an attack, if the owner has no insurance and little money?

It's the owners responsibility. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by MagicRat

These dogs are like that unsafe car or stray bullet; a death or injury waiting to happen. Ban them all.

Pits are not accidents waiting to happen, any more than a lab or poodle is. It all comes down to the owner and how they train and socialize their dog. There are exceptions, of course, but that comes down to individual animals, not an entire breed.
When you do see pit bull attacks on the news, take a look at the owner of the animal. I'd be willing to bet you top dollar that it's going to be someone, probably male, in their teens or 20's who owns the dog. Why? Most of these people get pits because they act as status symbols, and the owner thinks they are a bad-ass because of the dog they own, and how it acts, which is usually mean. People like this will take a male and female pit and breed them without knowing anything about the temperament of the parents or how physically sound the dogs are.
You can take any breed of dog and turn it into a rotten animal that will attack anything in sight. It's very simple to do. Properly training and socializing a dog is tougher, because training requires repetition and patience.

Originally Posted by twospirits

There was this guy that had a baby/midsize pit pull which refuse to place it on a lease and everyone was aware that he did not have a care in the world. One day I'm walking my dobie and bingo I see the pit bull across the street and he sees my dobie and runs over and attacks. Whats territorial about that? Across the street. Why was it not on a lease? Questions I've asked over and over. My dobie tried as much to protect it self and I almost got injured seperating them. Eventually we got them seperated and my dobie had to undergo surgery to fix her right check from the maul. I notified the cops and since they are property nothing came out of it. It was then that I realized how dangerous the breeds can be. They are probably nice but more and more I see others use them as protectors and yet the owners can't really handle them at all. I am a animal lover and do not like to see harm come to any living creature, but damn if I was filled with rage and wanted that dog dead as well as really give the owner a freaking beating. Could be that that pit bull was just psycho, but I've seen others very similar so I've come to not like the breed and consider them too much of a danger (at least in a city setting).
Owners have to be more accountable and if it continues then cities and counties will do whatever is necessary to protect the public. Hence the reason for the ban.

TS out

Your last paragraph is absolutely correct. Owners need to be accountable for the actions of their dogs. This is where training and socialization come into play. Without it, a person has no control over their dog whatsoever. For little lap dogs, it isn't much of a problem. But when we're talking about pit bulls, or rotties, or other large dogs, it becomes a huge problem.
The other thing people forget/don't care to learn or just don't know, is that pits, like most dogs, will be protective of what they consider to be their family and territory; and that some breeds are inherently more protective than others. This shouldn't be confused with being mean or vicious though, because there is a huge difference. A properly trained and socialized dog is taught and learns to recognize when something or someone is an actual threat, as opposed to something benign like some kid walking down the street. Leash training is a part of this as well. Go into a canine obedience school and talk to a knowledgeable trainer who is familiar with the temperament of a typical pit, or email/call up a reputable breeder and talk to them. They'll tell you exactly what to expect in a pit who is trained/socialized, and one that isn't. It'll be like night and day.
People who let their dogs roam off leash, especially in an urban setting, are just begging to be slapped with a lawsuit, whether they own a pit or not. All dogs have teeth, they all know how to bite, and it's going to hurt regardless of breed. It's just a shame that because of the actions of a few idiots and careless owners that an entire breed of dog is looked at as being an accident waiting to happen.

[jon@af]

Originally Posted by kcg795

1.I think they should exterminate the Pit Bull breed altogether. 2.The reason they are so aggressive is because their heads are too small for their brain. So they get headaches. Wouldn't this make you aggressive too? 3.If they could at least modify the Pit Bull breed in some way, then they'd be much better dogs. But for now, I think the Pit Bull can be done away with.

You know, I've been on this board for almost 2 years now, and I've seen a lot of stupid comments, and the comment you have here, is one of the STUPIDEST things I've seen anyone say. I think we're going to need a play-by-play breakdown on this:

1. Yes. They should. After all, that's the most logical way to look at it. Problems with a certain animal from time to time due to abuse from the owner means that they need to kill that breed of dog entirely.

2. My goodness, aren't you just the animal expert. Do us a favor, next time you have a thought, tie your hands off so you can't share it with us here. That is not, nor ever will be the reason, or even A reason for their being aggressive. Every animal is different. Yes, from time to time you'll get a dog that is naturally aggressive. But, 9 times out of 10, if a Pit-Bull is mean it's because:
A. The owner is mean to the dog
B. The dog has had a bad experience with a certain type of people in the past, i.e. children, or men, or what have you.

3. The dogs themselves do not need modification, even if it was possible. They need good homes and less people like you in the world who think that the only way to solve a problem is to kill it.

Now, I'm not usually this harsh, but when someone says something as boneheaded as that, I've got to express my distaste. Please become educated on something before assuming you know everything about it. This will prove to help you later in life.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by J_Swigz

Now, I'm not usually this harsh, but when someone says something as boneheaded as that, I've got to express my distaste. Please become educated on something before assuming you know everything about it. This will prove to help you later in life.

Holy over reaction, Batman!!

I think kcg was being funny/sarcastic.

[TexasF355F1]

How could anyone think this face would ever attack someone unless provoked? Maci teh Pit Bull

[96Civ]

Its probably just the media hyping up attention. Seems like all media is biased and written by attention whores.

[twospirits]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

How could anyone think this face would ever attack someone unless provoked? Maci the Pit Bull

hmmm it sure doesn't have the look of "come on over and pet me", in that pic, thats for sure. Seriously, Nice looking dog.

Originally Posted by 96Civ

Its probably just the media hyping up attention. Seems like all media is biased and written by attention whores.

Maybe we should send the media the resumes of the AF postwhores.

BOT

People need to realize that not every dog is managable. One cannot expect a average size joe to take care of a untrained big dog, regardless of its breed. The dog as well as the owner need adequate training in its handling. Otherwise it becomes a problem down the road. If one cannot find the means and ways to properly train the dog then either get a smaller managable dog or don't get one at all. I personally do not like the breed, but going full out saying kill the breed is going way overboard in my opinion.

TS out