A question for the anti-Kerry brigade

[Flatrater]

After reading Naki's first sentence I could see what was coming, a Bush bashing from Naki.


Why is it we always have to defend Bush. If we start a topic on Kerry we have to is the next topic start of "to be fair"?

How about what has Kerry done? Anyone?

[tenguzero]

Neither of them can "do what it takes" when it comes to securing our country. Although I must say, it's kind of hard to draw an opinion on where either Bush or Kerry truly, TRULY stand on an issue in respect to the other. Fools, thy names be Democrat/Republican/-enter any other party affiliation here-. This is a joke. Between tampering by politically-motivated Swift boat vets, to whining about who should, would, or won't release their military records, to acting like complete idiots in the streets of New York, almost everyone seems to be voluntarily putting blinders over their eyes as to the real issues at hand in order that they may better carry on with their ridiculous agendas. Between Kerry babbling on with whatever he thinks the group of people he's addressing wants to hear, and Bush pandering to the Hispanic vote by turning his back on immigration policy enforcement, it seems the goal of this political season is to upstage the other person with whatever underhanded tactics, smoke-and-mirrors drama, or outright storytelling is in any way possible. This is not about what is best for the people, it's about what is best for whoever has a hand in pulling the strings. It seems every time an election season comes around, it becomes less and less about the issues at heart, and more like this stupid, mindless reality-TV crap that people seem to eat up. It's like the more outlandish the fiasco, the more diabolical the plan, or the more nail-biting the events, the better.

Bush is a man who's heart may be in the right place, but he is absolutely unfit to run a country. This administration claims it's protected America and it's way of life from foreign terrorist threats that could potentially unravel the very foundation of the country, and yet they've blatantly, REPEATEDLY, turned a blind eye to the mess of illegal aliens, sky-high spending, failing Social Security, sick economy, and unstable healthcare system that are all ALREADY undoing our country. This administration, with Bush at the helm, is a poor excuse for leadership.

Kerry is an untrustworthy, flip-flopping, joke of a candidate. His party is oftentimes a troubling mix of misguided patriotism, poor morals, and unbridled ignorance. He would do know better as president of the U.S., simply because he lacks the steadfastness required to reassure and comfort the general citizenship in times of peace, nevermind when we have a large chunk of the world population breathing down our necks with undisguised loathing.

Whether they like it or not, Bush supporters are forced to constantly defend Bush because he IS the incumbent. Kerry is gunning for the position, so naturally his supporters will lead with the offensive. There is no easier way to explain this to those who question why they're seemingly always at the defense for the President. This is simply the rule of engagement. Unfortunately, those who are charging forward to unseat the current incompetent holder of power, are bringing with them an equally incompetent replacement.

[Flatrater]

Well said tenguzero ! Finally an unbiased opnion.

[ec437]

Originally Posted by tenguzero

Neither of them can "do what it takes" when it comes to securing our country. Although I must say, it's kind of hard to draw an opinion on where either Bush or Kerry truly, TRULY stand on an issue in respect to the other. Fools, thy names be Democrat/Republican/-enter any other party affiliation here-. This is a joke. Between tampering by politically-motivated Swift boat vets, to whining about who should, would, or won't release their military records, to acting like complete idiots in the streets of New York, almost everyone seems to be voluntarily putting blinders over their eyes as to the real issues at hand in order that they may better carry on with their ridiculous agendas. Between Kerry babbling on with whatever he thinks the group of people he's addressing wants to hear, and Bush pandering to the Hispanic vote by turning his back on immigration policy enforcement, it seems the goal of this political season is to upstage the other person with whatever underhanded tactics, smoke-and-mirrors drama, or outright storytelling is in any way possible. This is not about what is best for the people, it's about what is best for whoever has a hand in pulling the strings. It seems every time an election season comes around, it becomes less and less about the issues at heart, and more like this stupid, mindless reality-TV crap that people seem to eat up. It's like the more outlandish the fiasco, the more diabolical the plan, or the more nail-biting the events, the better.

Bush is a man who's heart may be in the right place, but he is absolutely unfit to run a country. This administration claims it's protected America and it's way of life from foreign terrorist threats that could potentially unravel the very foundation of the country, and yet they've blatantly, REPEATEDLY, turned a blind eye to the mess of illegal aliens, sky-high spending, failing Social Security, sick economy, and unstable healthcare system that are all ALREADY undoing our country. This administration, with Bush at the helm, is a poor excuse for leadership.

Kerry is an untrustworthy, flip-flopping, joke of a candidate. His party is oftentimes a troubling mix of misguided patriotism, poor morals, and unbridled ignorance. He would do know better as president of the U.S., simply because he lacks the steadfastness required to reassure and comfort the general citizenship in times of peace, nevermind when we have a large chunk of the world population breathing down our necks with undisguised loathing.

Whether they like it or not, Bush supporters are forced to constantly defend Bush because he IS the incumbent. Kerry is gunning for the position, so naturally his supporters will lead with the offensive. There is no easier way to explain this to those who question why they're seemingly always at the defense for the President. This is simply the rule of engagement. Unfortunately, those who are charging forward to unseat the current incompetent holder of power, are bringing with them an equally incompetent replacement.

Amen! Although I still like Bush better

[TRD2000]

LETS SEE....

THE WAPONS INSPECTORS SEEMED PRETTY CONFIDENT THERE WERE NO WMD

GEOGRAPHY PEOPLE... TERRORISTS CAPTURED IN PAKISTAN ARE A FAIR WAY FROM IRAQ.

"LOW-LEVEL TERRORISTS" IN IRAQ COULD BE SEEN TO BE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY BY WHATEVER MEANS THEY CAN... YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU COULD TAKE OVER SOMEONE ELSES COUNTRY AND NOT HAVE A FIGHT DID YOU? HOW MANY IRAQI'S WOULD AMERICA KILL IF IRAQ ATTACKED THE us... HOW MANY HAVE THEY KILLED BY ATTACKING IRAQ...

I'M NOT FAIRLY SURE THAT TERRORISTS DON'T HAVE WMD... I AM JUST SURE THAT IRAQ DOESN'T, AND HASN'T FOR A LONG TIME! THOSE CHECHYAN TERRORISTS MAY WELL HAVE EX-USSR WEAPONS...

SO I GUESS WE'RE LEFT WITH OIL HUH?

I GUESS IT'S FINE TO KILL THOUSANDS AND LIE TO THE WORLD IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING YOU WANT.... EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN GET IT IF YOU SHARE WHAT THEY WANT... BUT WHY PAY FOR IT IF YOU CAN STEAL IT RIGHT?

BULLYING IN SCHOOLS CAUSES MASACRES... BULLYING IN COUNTRIES ...YEAH I SEE PARRALLELS...

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

I'M NOT FAIRLY SURE THAT TERRORISTS DON'T HAVE WMD... I AM JUST SURE THAT IRAQ DOESN'T, AND HASN'T FOR A LONG TIME! THOSE CHECHYAN TERRORISTS MAY WELL HAVE EX-USSR WEAPONS...

SO I GUESS WE'RE LEFT WITH OIL HUH?

I GUESS IT'S FINE TO KILL THOUSANDS AND LIE TO THE WORLD IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING YOU WANT.... EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN GET IT IF YOU SHARE WHAT THEY WANT... BUT WHY PAY FOR IT IF YOU CAN STEAL IT RIGHT?

Since you are an UN weapons inspector according to your comments! Show me the proof that we invaded Iraq for the oil! Please explain to me why I am paying 40% more per gallon of gasoline this year than I paid last year. Since we are getting all this free oil where is it?

What about the chechyans having Bin laden trained terrorists among the other hostage takers?


Now who are you saying has killed thousands? I hope you are not accussing the Americans of killing the thousands as you claim. More people have died from the terrorists trying to kill Americans than the Americans have shot. BTW American soliders don't shoot unless shot at or are in danger. The terrorists don't care who they kill AMerica or Iraq it doesn't matter to them. Also who is the head terrorist in Iraq?

Sadr is justr a pissed off little punk who is throwing a fit because no one picked him to run the government. Its not about freedom fighting its about Sadr not having power.

[TRD2000]

i'm not a weapons inspector...i work for a petrochemical company...oil... if you know of any WMD found in iraq do tell.... theres about 6 billion people out there who'd love to know!

and what about the chechyan? as i said i think they are more likely to have WMD than Sadam was...

hmmm americans don't shoot first huh?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2877349.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2878565.stm
Brit Pilot's Punch-up


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A Furious British Helicopter Pilot who came under "friendly fire" from American troops landed yards from them, leapt out and exchanged punches with a US Marine.

The Chinook pilot shouted at him: "When was the last time you saw a f******* Iraqi in a helicopter?"

The pilot and the marine had to be pulled apart as American troops advanced on the north of Baghdad, according to US reports from US Central Command in Qatar.

British military spokesman Group Captain Al Lockwood said: "I'm afraid it would be an RAF kind of thing to do. These guys are not known for tolerating fools gladly."

Daily Mirror, Monday 7th April 2003, page 4.

do chinooks often shoot at things???

[my3rdskyline]

just my humble opinion. and I am in the military, lots of my friends have gone and come back from iraq. I have not gone yet but will probably in November. I have no problem going to war for my country, I just don't feel this cause. I don't want to get deployed because I think it's a bullshit war. money. oil. lies. Don't get me wrong, I'd fight for my country. But in my heart I don't feel that this war is for our country. I do not know what lies are in the mind of our pathalogical liar of a commander in chief but I honestly feel he needs some psychiactric (sorry about the spellings) help.

My bottom line is this. PEOPLE, the UNITED STATES ARE NOT THE FUCKING POLICE OF THE WORLD! We are not giving these people help. The only people that think that we are helping over there are the people that watch a stupid cartoon and then at the end it says quickly "kids, drink your milk" and honestly feel that it was an educational cartoon. C'mon. you see my point?

[TRD2000]

i was out drinking with a mate (used to be in platoon) when he got the call to go to Iraq, He's now in the SAS and had just come back from Afghanistan, was on leave but got cut short, thats the same sentiment he had... it's one thing fighting for your country, but thats not what Iraq is all about...

[my3rdskyline]

i'd just like to say thank you to GWB for my dad getting laid off, my friend jordan stelle getting deployed for a year, my friend cynamon getting deployed for 5 months and coming back, she said they didn't really do shit but support themselves (this is something the military is good at. Like my base, put a base in the middle of the pacific ocean and what do we do here? we support ourselves. thats the mission here. so I ask this... why not just demolish the fucking base and not waste the money? oh well. 30000 people in japan are on "standby" incase the surrounding areas do "something". Yeah, I have a lot of pride in that.). And thanks for leaving me no option but to join the military after high school. Thanks for fucking up the future for me and my kids. Keep "turning the corner" george. I hope to god you don't win the election but hey... look on the bright side: you have 2 daughters that are certainly not going to be the president and even if you win, come 2008 this shit is guarenteed to be all over. I just hope it's not too late. that was my two japanese yen.

[gn1220]

Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

i'd just like to say thank you to GWB for my dad getting laid off, my friend jordan stelle getting deployed for a year, my friend cynamon getting deployed for 5 months and coming back, she said they didn't really do shit but support themselves (this is something the military is good at. Like my base, put a base in the middle of the pacific ocean and what do we do here? we support ourselves. thats the mission here. so I ask this... why not just demolish the fucking base and not waste the money? oh well. 30000 people in japan are on "standby" incase the surrounding areas do "something". Yeah, I have a lot of pride in that.). And thanks for leaving me no option but to join the military after high school. Thanks for fucking up the future for me and my kids. Keep "turning the corner" george. I hope to god you don't win the election but hey... look on the bright side: you have 2 daughters that are certainly not going to be the president and even if you win, come 2008 this shit is guarenteed to be all over. I just hope it's not too late. that was my two japanese yen.

Please explain how President Bush got your Dad laid off, left you no choice but to join the military and fucked up you and your kids future? Typical lib, blame somebody else for your problems. And your friends that got deployed? Hey dumbass, you joined the MILITARY. Sorry you actually had to do something. More crying from the left.

[TRD2000]

...and you've obviously never been in the military, didn't you ever feel patriotic enough to want to defend your country? Sounds pretty typical to me, of someone that likes sending other people off and avoiding it themselves... Defending your country from foreign threats is a lot different to invading someone elses to line the pockets of some back home.

people like you make me SICK!

Just because someone joins the military does not mean they like killing people, or that they want to go off OR that they should go off and fight for something they don't believe in. These are the people who keep you safe you unloyal prick, give them some more respect or get your ass to iraq and fight for your own beliefs!

[gn1220]

Originally Posted by TRD2000

...and you've obviously never been in the military, didn't you ever feel patriotic enough to want to defend your country? Sounds pretty typical to me, of someone that likes sending other people off and avoiding it themselves... Defending your country from foreign threats is a lot different to invading someone elses to line the pockets of some back home.

people like you make me SICK!

Just because someone joins the military does not mean they like killing people, or that they want to go off OR that they should go off and fight for something they don't believe in. These are the people who keep you safe you unloyal prick, give them some more respect or get your ass to iraq and fight for your own beliefs!

You are right, I've never been in the military. But, if I did JOIN VOLUNTARILY, I would have to keep in mind the DUTY of the MILITARY: To defend our nation at ALL COST,ie. till death. Now, if I joined looking to get a free college degree, than yes, I would be mad. And speaking of foreign threats, yes, they came to us so we had to go on the offensive and hit them at home. Of course, we could've just sat here, safe and sound and waited for another attack because we didn't want to make anybody mad.
Both of my Grandfathers were in WWII and these men and women who have fought for us and continue fighting for us all around the world have my utmost respect for doing what they signed up to do. I feel for each and every soldier who came home and also those who weren't so lucky as well as their families. I could not even begin to imagine what hell they have gone through. So don't even call me an unloyal prick for getting in this guys ass for blaming Bush for all of his problems. If the draft were in effect and my name was called I would kiss my wife and two kids and go defend my country as best I could.

[TRD2000]

so you're saying that prior to september 11 a couple of years back america had never hurt anyone in these peoples countries? that your military just stayed at home and didn't go into other countries? why do you think these people are pissed off? you seriously need to ask yourself some questions. I think you will find that the first interactions took place well outside the US. As have pretty much all altercations that the US has been involved in... bar independance and the US-mexican war. who went to whom?

how do you know what you would do? People say oh i would do this i would do that, but they just don't understand because they know that they don't have to make that decision, while they're sitting at home with other people (usually less fortunate) fighting their fights and people who haven't been in the military seriously need to wake up on the idea of loyalty!

And if all you got from it was a broken family and while you were away your family lost their home cause of pay and military family allowance cuts, but if you knew that the plunder from your campaign meant that someone who didn't have to go fight got a nice new yacht, how would that make you feel? Don't you think that someone who is patriotic enough to sign up and defend their country would be willing to go if there really was a threat? Those soldiers have gone to invade another country, most of the world opposed it, because Iraq was not a threat, least of all to the US. The soldiers that go to Iraq aren't going there to defend anything but the person next to them, they are going there on a crusade to steal oil! Many of them have lost their lives and many more will be forever scarred for a cause they don't believe in because they know there was no reason.

DO NOT confuse the invasion of iraq with WW2, that would be stupid as in WW2 america faught to defend their allies, not to invade another country. This second invasion of iraq has more parallels to the first gulf war, only this time instead of Iraq invading Kuwait for Oil, the US has invaded Iraq... however unlike kuwait who got walked over only to be aided by the west (allied because the threat was evident) Iraq has been invaded by a western country, a superpower, and they aren't going to be getting any help to get their attackers out...

supporting Bush now is just like supporting Sadam in 1991!

[Flatrater]

T RD2000

I am tired so don't take this the wrong way~! I am freaking tired of hearing we are their to steal oil, so fucking prove it

What people are pissed off?

What country in the world has the balls to invade America?

Democrats, republicans, Nader lovers we all are loyal to our country we do not need to be in the miltary to be loyal to our country or the soliders that fight for the US.

Your comment about most of the world was against the invasion is wrong most countries didn't care, some were against it and some for the invasion.

Iraq was a threat to the US. Who the hell did you think was inforcing the no fly zones, whose navy was patrolling the waters around Iraq trying to stop the french and russians from selling banned items to Iraq. These soliders were constantly being shot at, bombed and so on. We didn't need to drag the sanctions on for another 20 years under the useless UN.

BTW were you or are you in the miltary?

What countries did the US invade that we weren't asked to, or help out in?


Either prove your points or quit whining.

Just so you know BUSH will get 4 more years, so you will have 4 more years to whine about.