where to buy/import a AEM CAI??

[AccordCE8]

Compare it with a spoon of steel (or aluminium) and one of plastic, When you make it hot on one side, you can't hold the steel (aluminium) spoon, because the other side gets hot 2, a plastic spoon you can always hold tight, the heat isn't transfered. So that's why a plastic tube should always be better than a steel one if you want to keep it as cold as possible.

[Veetec]

Originally posted by AccordCE8
Compare it with a spoon of steel (or aluminium) and one of plastic, When you make it hot on one side, you can't hold the steel (aluminium) spoon, because the other side gets hot 2, a plastic spoon you can always hold tight, the heat isn't transfered. So that's why a plastic tube should always be better than a steel one if you want to keep it as cold as possible.

Ever touched your black plastic interior in a hot summer after your car has stood for hours in the open sun???? Ouch....! I wouldn´t be too sure about this......

[Predator]

It would be a good idea to create a custom intake- but im not sure if i can find every part ill need! The pipe and the cuts/ holes arent the problem, but the 'holder' for the ODB sensors will become to a problem i think!

Is there anyone of u who build one itself?!

[Veetec]

Originally posted by Predator
It would be a good idea to create a custom intake- but im not sure if i can find every part ill need! The pipe and the cuts/ holes arent the problem, but the 'holder' for the ODB sensors will become to a problem i think!

Is there anyone of u who build one itself?!

Sorry, but haven´t done it yet and will never do it! I´ve got two left hands with stuff like that. But try this: www.teamdelsol.com/howto/coldair/diycoldair.htm

[AccordCE8]

Originally posted by Veetec
Ever touched your black plastic interior in a hot summer after your car has stood for hours in the open sun???? Ouch....! I wouldn´t be too sure about this......

Yeah, you're right, that's the outer layer, but the inner layer or other side what hasn't been in the sun shouldn't be that hot then, the heat isn't transfered that easy to the other side, but that's hard to try with the interior

but maybe steel with a coating should have the same effect.

I personally don't believe in all this cold air stuff, your stock airbox gets it cold also! What's the difference?
That peugeot gti guy has made himself a new pipe 2, somewhat bigger than stock... it gave him more sound, but only less power, his topspeed was about 20 km/h lower!!!

And why does even a ferrari have an airintake simular than a stock honda intake???

It's all for the looks, nothing more

[Kohhal]

Originally posted by AccordCE8
...And why does even a ferrari have an airintake simular than a stock honda intake???

It's all for the looks, nothing more

Why, because Ferrari doesn't need to squeeze a couple of extra horses out of their engines, we do! I assume they also have a resonator to keep their engines somewhat quiet.

And about the heat transfer, obviously metal conducts heat better than plastic, that's why the AEM CAI has a zircona powder coating on it to combat this and this keeps the air cold.

[Veetec]

Originally posted by TheMasterG

Why, because Ferrari doesn't need to squeeze a couple of extra horses out of their engines, we do! I assume they also have a resonator to keep their engines somewhat quiet.

And about the heat transfer, obviously metal conducts heat better than plastic, that's why the AEM CAI has a zircona powder coating on it to combat this and this keeps the air cold.

Agreed!
Thanx, G! That was exactly what I wanted to say but couldn´t remember anymore.

[AccordCE8]

Originally posted by TheMasterG

Why, because Ferrari doesn't need to squeeze a couple of extra horses out of their engines, we do! I assume they also have a resonator to keep their engines somewhat quiet.

With this one I don't agree, don't you think they want to get a couple of extra horses for a few bucks more! Do you know how much money they spent on getting as much horses out of it as possible, and than don't waste a few bucks for a 'cold air' thing. If it was that easy every car brand already had such a thing. And ferrari's make a lot of sound, you won't recognize the extra sound. Why does honda all the effort of making 240 bhp out of a 2 liter engine, and for a few dollars wouldn't get out a few more?
It's much more complicated, the length of the tube playes a big role 2. When the valves are going open and shut and open and shut...and on and on, the air in the pipe moves front and back again (when the valves are closed, the pressure rises, the air is in a dead end and has to move somewhere, that's going back.)
That's why for example peugeot has a narrowing in the tube, to keep the air in the tube and not let it go back again. That's why engine for motorbycicles(?) have a kind of resevoir in the air tube.
So bigger, and so called 'cold air' isn't always better (like i said before, the stock honda resonator gets the air at exactly the same place as an aem cold air thing)
I don't want to offend(?) you or veetec with this, but just discuss it.



And about the heat transfer, obviously metal conducts heat better than plastic, that's why the AEM CAI has a zircona powder coating on it to combat this and this keeps the air cold. [/quote]

I can agree with this one... a coating can do such a thing... don't know how good, but it's possible

[Predator]

Well, I really think that Ferrari t´ries to get those hp out of the engine and not due to some extra- things like intake and so on- why do u think they dont use forced induction? Because they simply dont need to charge a V12 engine with more than 5 liters!
The point is that race cars often use cold air systems (some of them an AEM one)- so it cant be just hot air! And btw many dynos have profen that u gain some hp, how much does really depend of then engine and the condition of ur engine aswell as the number of mods uve already done to ur engine!

[Kohhal]

Well said Predator, saves me typing it all out

[AccordCE8]

Originally posted by Predator
Well, I really think that Ferrari t´ries to get those hp out of the engine and not due to some extra- things like intake and so on- why do u think they dont use forced induction? Because they simply dont need to charge a V12 engine with more than 5 liters!

forced induction is much more expensive than an aem-type air system, and forced induction means more moving/rotating parts = less reliable

Can you explain me the difference between a stock air intake and an aem?
1. the tube and material of the tube
2. a 'round' filter without resonater instead of a square filter with resonator.

The place where they suck ait from is the same so this doesn't make it more 'cold'

--> 1. this makes no difference, rubber conducts warmth worse (aluminium without coating) or equal than aluminium (with coating)... so this is simply said no difference or even worse, but's let's say that it makes no difference. The tube diameter stock is also quite huge... I think the same as aem, so the same 2.

--> 2. The only difference is that a resonater box filter get it's air from 2 smaller tubes that lead 2 the resonator box and a round aem filter gets it directly. Do you think this difference in friction makes a few more bhp?? Than the car manufactures should already have designed another kind of resonater box, that's very cheap hp gains, like I said before

Originally posted by Predator
The point is that race cars often use cold air systems (some of them an AEM one)- so it cant be just hot air! And btw many dynos have profen that u gain some hp, how much does really depend of then engine and the condition of ur engine aswell as the number of mods uve already done to ur engine! [/b]

I think some of them use it, maybe it's lighter than a stock one, a racing engine makes more revs than a stock or low modified engine, so needs more air, logical that another air filter system is better optimised for this. So when you really, really modify your engine, I believe it makes a difference then, that's true. But does it have to be an aem-style air filter system?

[Veetec]

Originally posted by AccordCE8
With this one I don't agree, don't you think they want to get a couple of extra horses for a few bucks more! Do you know how much money they spent on getting as much horses out of it as possible, and than don't waste a few bucks for a 'cold air' thing. If it was that easy every car brand already had such a thing. And ferrari's make a lot of sound, you won't recognize the extra sound. Why does honda all the effort of making 240 bhp out of a 2 liter engine, and for a few dollars wouldn't get out a few more?

Out of a lot of reasons I have to disagree with that!
1.) It´s possible that the production of the stock tubing and the stock filter is cheaper than a hole AEM CAI but I´m not sure about this.
2.) Any car brands (except of the REALLY exclusive ones) don´t have got the time and the money to do the researches which will be needed to produce only perfect or nearly perfect products.
3.) Even a Ferrari is not allowed to be as loud as it wants to be! There is a limit for ALL street cars (except you´re living in sibiria maybe). The Tenzo DAC on my old Lude was really loud for example and it just had a 2.0l engine with 133hp. Imagine how a Ferrari would sound with such an intake. And I´m pretty sure that Ferrari has got a similar system with just another design. You just can´t compare a Ferrari engine with a Honda engine.
4.) Sometimes car brands don´t want to squeeze out every hp possible out of the engine because of insurances and stuff like that. My new Lude for example has got about 197hp and if it would have over 200hp I would reach the next "insurance level" (or was it the tax level?? Not sure anymore.) which would be more expensive again=> some people wouldn´t buy it anymore!
5.) Do you think your mom or your grandfather would like to drive a car which is hella loud because it has got an AEM CAI on it? Mine definetly wouldn´t...
6.) It´s also very easy to do a chip tuning today but the brands don´t do that because of mileage, smog,....! Same with exhaust, headers, cams,...AEM CAI!
You can see that there are a lot of possibilities and/or impossibilities (??) which could be a reason for stock cars not using such things like an AEM CAI! IMO we can discuss weeks about that and then we could still be wrong with our thoughts.
But at the end I have to agree with you! The stock intake system will be already damn good and there won´t be a real need for a new one except if you´re into serious racing where every hp is counting! But personally I like their sound and their appearance which makes them interesting for me again. But IMO most aftermarket parts for Hondas aren´t worth their money when it´s about more hp anyways. Uuuhm,... I think that´s enough for now. Maybe some of my thoughts are more than wrong....but I´m going to write an important exam tomorrow and my head is anything else but free of thoughts!

Originally posted by AccordCE8
I don't want to offend(?) you or veetec with this, but just discuss it.

:finger: j/k

[Goosse]

Has anyone seen the Bonrath system yet? They promise a 5kW gain. (BTW: this was measured at a Golf VR6)



Their is a connection from the front bumper to a hole in the stock airbox. The front piece is designed in a way that it compresses the air.

[Veetec]

Originally posted by Goosse
Has anyone seen the Bonrath system yet? They promise a 5kW gain. (BTW: this was measured at a Golf VR6)



Their is a connection from the front bumper to a hole in the stock airbox. The front piece is designed in a way that it compresses the air.

No, not yet. But it´s just a usual "Ram Air System". You can do that easily by yourself!

[Goosse]

Originally posted by Veetec
No, not yet. But it´s just a usual "Ram Air System". You can do that easily by yourself!

I already tought of making something like this myself in combination with my K&N intake. But I haven't had the time yet to start. Sooooo much work