HSVs are awesome

[dejoux]

Comparing an HSV to an XR8 is unfair, there isnt a car in the Falcon range to compete with teh HSV, even ford acknowledge that.. For fairness the XR8 should be compared to the SS Commodore.

Im not supporting either, Id rather have an M3

[Jimster]

Originally posted by dejoux
there isnt a car in the Falcon range to compete with teh HSV, even ford acknowledge that..

hello???? Does the name T-series ring a bell???????

[dejoux]

Yeah all my friend aspire to own a T-Series

[Jimbo_Jones]

you know what... HSV's are awesome... i'd have to say they are the best car on any of the roads they drive on...

skylines are nothing compared to a HSV...

[-Joel-]

QUOTE JIMBO:

you know what... HSV's are awesome... i'd have to say they are the best car on any of the roads they drive on...

skylines are nothing compared to a HSV...

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lol... Are you trying to get me to swallow the hook?? :smoker:

Well I'm going to..

Compare a HSV or GTS to a current model Skyline and see how comes out on top for reliability, fuel economy, refinement and most importantly Technology.

You poor Un-educated person.

Then again there is no point trying to compare a HSV or similiar to a Skyline as basically the Skyline is designed from ground up to handle, perform and to be reliable.

Not like the Ol' Family Wagon. :finger:

AND.. If you want to compare Family Wagons Compare the Nissan 260RS which is a 4 Door Wagon which is fitted with the GTR Drive line (4 WD Attesa which is 2wd then 4wd when wheel spin is detected or excessive g-forces etc..)

For example come in to corner with the 2wd feel of no front wheel push then flatten it slap slightly sideways, front wheels receive power and it holds you in a nice slide which happens to pull you out of a corner quicker than any HSV...

NOW Please Don't compare a small market based HSV/Holden which has not had any where as much research and development put in to it as a skyline.

Compare a Skyline to a Porsche and well then there is competition.

To ya's all..

Oh and just a note... $$ for $$ value and performance a skyline will always kick a HSV.

i.e Slap an Exhaust & Boost Bleed on a $15,000 Skyline and say good by to a VX HSV with an After market Twin System and 6 speed manual.

I have..

The problem is that it requires a skilled driver to control the wheel spin that spins up 235's no worries with 1/4 throttle at 3500rpm.

I've owned a tricked up VS V8 5 speed with 3 1/2" exhaust chip etc etc. and until you drive a Skyline you don't know what wheel spin and being pined in your chair is.

I think I've dribbled enough .. :finger: :finger:

[Jimbo_Jones]

go back to cookin your rice man... i dont wanna get into this petty argument

nah... just kidding...

i actually have learnt to appreciate the skylines power/handling and i wouldnt mind owning one... it just that primarily i like v8's and also the VX SS Series 2 (to me) is just one of the best looking cars around.

having had a test drive of both skyline and VX i'd still have to choose the VX... but the skyline still is an awesome autombile, one thing i'd like to see would be a worked gen III turbo'd 27pound (or close to) shoved into a skyline shell... now thats a car, i wonder if it'd fit?!?

[-Joel-]

There is one thing that I miss with owning my ol' VS..

The Sweet sound of brup brup brup brup... V8.

We went for a little cruise with a VX 6 Speed Gen III with exhaust etc..

Its definately one hell of a nice looking car.

Wheels, Lowered with super low springs.

He's quite a laugh actually as He hsa personalised number plates with Jaffa writen on them, and coincendently he is a black dude..

It does go very well btw, but it seems as if it is difficult to launch.

Still it does have longer legs up over 100km/h than another mates stock R33 GTS-T.

He is consider either selling it and buying a 33' GTR or supercharging it which will cost around 7k or there abouts but that would be one mean machine.

Only problem with supercharging it is with insurance btw, I guess that is one advantage of purchasing a car that already has forced induction.

[Jimbo_Jones]

yeah... the launch of the RWD is nothing compared to the skylines, well... just about any AWD drive car would beat it off the line, but MOST AWD cars a 4 cylinders and die after about the 50m mark anyways, that where the torque of the V8 really takes over

hmm... AWD VX SS Series 2, *drools*

now theres a project car, i wonder how much it would cost to get a AWD conversion on a commodore?

[-Joel-]

Yes the GTR's are 4wd not Awd but..

you see a GTR will first spin the back wheels off the line then a fraction of a second later the front wheels will grab causing a sideways 4wd drift off the line. the R33 GTR will pull around about a low to mid 13 sec quarter standard.

BUT....

Last night we went for a bit of a cruise and some of the cars involved was a VX 6 speed with exhaust (Jaffa) another R32 GTS-T (2WD) My R32 GTS-T and a few R33's.

Anyway with a few mods like Exhaust and 1 bar of boost, a slight fuel tune with a fuel pressure reg bleed setup to reduce the fuel pressure when on boost to help reduce the AF from 10:1, she keeps up with the R33 GTR, even with Boost droping at 5500rpm to 11-12psi due to the turbo running out of breath (Too Small).

We had a couple of runs off the line and with mine stalling to 4200rpm with a sidestep of the clutch and 1/4 throttle through first gear running 25psi in the rear tyres that are 225 50' 16" I was actually able to grab a better launch that what the R33 GTR did with its 4WD with a 5000-6000RPM launch.

The VX had troubles with wheel spin etc but it was lowered with hard suspension etc which its obvious that a car that has heavy duty suspension is not going to be able to have the weight transfer to the rear wheels.

Anyway My nose was in front by a bonnet length all the way until around 150-160km/h where we backed off.

Its all in the suspension.... and Launching technique and hard gear changes.... I guess thats why the VS I had went through a Diff, Gearbox, and the IRS chassis snapped where the diff bolted on.

That is basically why I bought the R32 as it can get in to the 13's still stock with basically just an exhaust....
Then a $1500 turbo with full boost from approx 3000rpm to 7500-8000rpm it will pull in to the low 12's if you run big tyres and have the suspension setup properly.

Most of the Skylines on the road have major traction issues as they have lowered suspension.

oh yer.. the Skylines if you didn't know are a Twin Cam 24 Valve 6 Cyclinder Turbo. The R32 GTS-T is a 2ltr RB20DET (6 Cyclinder), the R33 is a 2.5ltr 6cyclinder and the GTR's are all 2.6ltr (6 cyclinder Twin turbo)

Slap an Exhaust and remove the boost restrictor on a GTR and you are pulling all day every day low 12's. Then comes the slightly bigger turbo's and say hello to low elevens..

Seriously but You have to drive a slightly worked turbo car and feel the amount of extra pull they have over a V8 from down low... Like wheel spin as soon as it hits 3000rpm with 1/4 throttle...

A lot more fun to drive...

long post....

[-Joel-]

I forgot to mention the AWD Nissan Pulsar GTiR which is a SR20 with 4 valves per cyclinder twin cam turbo 4cyclinder.

It pulls a high 13 sec quarter.

Up the boost and slap on an exhaust...

I think the LS1 should modify their head design and slap on a quad cam with 4 valves per cyclinder and then well...

The turbo cars wouldn't have a chance and you would also get the benifit of a high reving motor (lower geared) with the considerably reduce fuel consumption.

Look at what ford have been able to do with their mustang motor which i think is a 4.6ltr Quad cam.

One thing I didn't like with the VS is that due to the gearing which was to long it was a bit of a pain in the arse to drive around town and traffic especially with its HD clutch.

[Jimbo_Jones]

Quote -Joel-

Anyway My nose was in front by a bonnet length all the way until around 150-160km/h where we backed off.

you see... the VX's are competition for the skylines, not much tho, but they do give 'em a run for they're money...

nothing beats the rumble of a v8 when it hits the 5000's tho, thats basically why i love v8's so much...

BTW, what city are you doing this in?, i know if i tried that in brissie i'd get caught for sure

[replicant_008]

To be honest - I think that your neighbour decided that a near-new HSV was better value than the Falc - if they were close in price I think he made a good decision.

However, the XR8 is the same price as an SS. Having driven both there is so little difference on an overall basis that it comes down to:

1) Resale (marginally better in the Holden)
2) Rear End Grip (marginally better in the Falc) even with the toe-control arms
3) Brand Preference (this is the biggest differentiator)
4) Looks (I still puke looking at the XR8 front end and the rest of the AU - yech!!!)
5) Gearbox - the SS has a six speed. 6th is useless at under 130kph
and the bloody thing as slow and baulky. The Tremec 3650 is only a
five speed but it's a nicer shift.

As for the HSV vs the Falc - the R8 or Clubsport is a definitely a better car but in new for a lot more dollars. And if you would doing the sums on a new one it would be like comparing a new SS vs an R8 - absolutely no comparison.

As your neighbour bought a used one - if you gave me the choice of a new SS or a new XR8 vs a near-new Clubsport for the same money - you'd be an idiot to buy anything but the Clubbie.

I sounds like your Ford man neighbour has some brains and made the rational choice.

[punk_911]

From what I gather, HSV range are made from a completely separate company who purchase Holden's cars and make huge mod to it then sale them with much dearer price.

As for Ford and Holden family car range. I hate those earlier holden which looks so ugly so as for Ford. the new Holden SS series looks hot and the round butt is so smooth.

By the way I've seen some Monaro in Black and I ask the question.

" Why on earth you buy a Monaro in black? Isn't the whole point of gettin a Monaro is to be noticed, thus the need for a Yellow or Carrot Monaro "

Yellow Monaro ownz all your ass

[-Joel-]

Look at the price of that thing though. Its hardly worth that much for a worked Commodore.

After all you see that on the road and you arn't going to go wow.. Your going to think its just another commodore.

Get my drift.

Now for Performance/Potential/Price I would have to say the For XR6 Turbo is by far the best buy.

The potential that thing has to make serious power without the loss of drivability or huge fuel consumption bills is awesome.

Slap a nice sized Bar and Plate FMIC, Nice exhaust, New ECU, Maybe slightly bigger turbo up to boost and you will be looking at 600hp no problems, Providing ford have put the R&D in to the motor so that it can handle it, not to mention the gearbox, diff.

After all Aussy car makers aren't really well known for making cars with tough drive lines. Not like the old Jap Cars. i.e Toyota, Nissan.

Ever heard of a Nissan Diff blown? Not worn out but Blown.. I never have.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by -Joel-


Ever heard of a Nissan Diff blown? Not worn out but Blown.. I never have.

I've heard of 1 or 2 cases of Silvias blowing thier diffs- but other wise- no- you are dead right