“We will cut off the hands of those people....."

[chaser29]

US will have to be used and that is the way it will be. US will be the center for HELL RAISING regardless of who the president it.

Getting Iraq under control will NOT happen! One power starving dick to another. Death,Starvation,Murder,Rape, Ect. Is here in the US and nothing is changing, so trying to change another country, which is in living hell and has been for how long? These changes, yet noble and helpful, NO results will be noticed for yr's.

These murders being glorified on TV are nothing new. I say they kill one of us, we kill their whole group! No room for error.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Sean

That's the problem. When America stops trying to control the world, the world may stop hating it.

HA! I'll be impressed if Bush can control his own damned country, much less another's...

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by chaser29

US will have to be used and that is the way it will be. US will be the center for HELL RAISING regardless of who the president it.

Well you know, there was talk of UN member nations sending a peacekeeping force, but the US was unwilling to relinquish any political control, so the idea was scrapped. The US went before the UN and asked for foreign soldiers to take orders from Americans. Not effin likely.

Originally Posted by chaser29

Getting Iraq under control will NOT happen! One power starving dick to another. Death,Starvation,Murder,Rape, Ect. Is here in the US and nothing is changing, so trying to change another country, which is in living hell and has been for how long? These changes, yet noble and helpful, NO results will be noticed for yr's.

The difference is, the people in power care about what is happening in Iraq, as they have a vested interest in getting money out of the country. In the US, they already have an established system of draining money out of the people, so they don't need to make any drastic changes.

Results were noticed the minute the first shots were fired, everything went straight to hell. Things were bad after a decade of sanctions, and over the last year and a half, they have steadily gotten worse.

Originally Posted by chaser29

These murders being glorified on TV are nothing new. I say they kill one of us, we kill their whole group! No room for error.

You can stop talking now.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Cbass

The US went before the UN and asked for foreign soldiers to take orders from Americans. Not effin likely.

The US should never go before a useless organization like the UN. They like to stand by and whine like the impotent little men. Spinless cowards and political hacks. The sentiment of foreign soliers not effin likely to take orders from and American works the other way around too.

Results were noticed the minute the first shots were fired, everything went straight to hell. Things were bad after a decade of sanctions, and over the last year and a half, they have steadily gotten worse.

Incorrect. Things have steadily gotten better.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Incorrect. Things have steadily gotten better.

How so?

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

The US should never go before a useless organization like the UN. They like to stand by and whine like the impotent little men. Spinless cowards and political hacks. The sentiment of foreign soliers not effin likely to take orders from and American works the other way around too.

Your opinion on the UN not withstanding, the US needs foreign soldiers in Iraq, the US does not have enough manpower to fully occupy the country and fight a guerrilla war. Internationalization of the force could do much to stabilize the situation in Iraq, as Iraqis might be more comfortable seeing soldiers from many nations keeping the peace, rather than Americans, the ones who invaded them, fighting a guerrilla war in their backyard.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Incorrect. Things have steadily gotten better.

Great, why don't you tell me how their standard of living has improved? How their economy is doing! Now that Iraq is a free market capitalist country, how are they fixed for health care? That becomes important when large portions of the country are poisoned with DU residue. Oh, and where's the money from the oil that was supposed to rebuild the country?

[RedLightning]

Originally Posted by Cbass

Your opinion on the UN not withstanding, the US needs foreign soldiers in Iraq, the US does not have enough manpower to fully occupy the country and fight a guerrilla war.

Thats just what Iraq and the U.S. does not need, more foreign troops in Iraq, they need more Iraqi security ppl, then there wil be peace but moving in more foriegn troops in iraq would make the iraqis more mad. Oh and about democracy never working in an arab country is false, what about quatar(spelling?!) it is becoming a democracy slowly but surley, dont say something wont work until you have tried it.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by Um...Nameless Dork

Thats just what Iraq and the U.S. does not need, more foreign troops in Iraq, they need more Iraqi security ppl, then there wil be peace but moving in more foriegn troops in iraq would make the iraqis more mad. Oh and about democracy never working in an arab country is false, what about quatar(spelling?!) it is becoming a democracy slowly but surley, dont say something wont work until you have tried it.

Sigh, that's right, we need to organize a cohesive Iraqi militia. That's going to be practically possible, given the ethnic, religious, and political differences of groups in Iraq. They're certainly going to succeed in keeping the peace, and not just become another armed faction in an increasingly unstable area.

The only workable solution is to multinationalize the occupation of Iraq, and restore ACTUAL control of the country to Iraqis. Then a political process can be established, without Iraqis viewing it as another system of control implemented by America.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Cbass

Your opinion on the UN not withstanding, the US needs foreign soldiers in Iraq, the US does not have enough manpower to fully occupy the country and fight a guerrilla war. Internationalization of the force could do much to stabilize the situation in Iraq, as Iraqis might be more comfortable seeing soldiers from many nations keeping the peace, rather than Americans, the ones who invaded them, fighting a guerrilla war in their backyard.

Great, why don't you tell me how their standard of living has improved? How their economy is doing! Now that Iraq is a free market capitalist country, how are they fixed for health care? That becomes important when large portions of the country are poisoned with DU residue. Oh, and where's the money from the oil that was supposed to rebuild the country?

My opinion has nothing to do with the inadequecies of the UN.

The standard of living is better there. Its a simple correction to the mistaken statement of "they have steadily gotten worse"

I wish I had the money to give to them, but at last check the UN took a few tens of billions of it and lost it.