Eclipse VS 'Lude/Integ...is Honda getting boring?

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Originally Posted by AcesHigh

Shpyder, you need to get into a BMW and drive it to really know why people buy Beamers and Benzes. Everything from the seats to steering has a certain feeling to it. Everything is clean and crisp, and even closing the door has a very secure and confident sound to it. Only now has Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti been able to imitate that, but does not yet have the feel like these Germanic cars do. Audi and Volkswagon are excluded from this statement.

I am a converted boy racer to corporate snob car whore.

slam the door on my audi and it'll give you a nice thump to it. not sure why you excluded audis (yes, i'm a biased audi owner. )

and the euro cars also have had a recent bad streak of reliability issues compared to the jap cars that even the domestics have been more reliable. a lot of electrical shit. the more crap you put into cars, the greater the number of problems that go wrong. not that european cars are poorly built or anything, but euro cars have all these little gizmos and gadget things, something's always liable to break. if they wanted my opinion, they should know that simplicity is sometimes nicer.

after i'm done with my audi, i'll probably go for a jap car again based on that fact alone. maintenance and parts for euro cars are also very pricey. luckily, audi and bmw offer great warrantie (4 yr/50,000 mile free maintenace everything except tires; they'll replace everything from a light bulb to a whole new turbo FOR FREE)

hopefully there will be an AWD acura TL available by then coz i'm done with FWD cars. that's plan B if my plan A to buy a carrera GT or aston martin db9 fall through.

[Shpyder]

AcesHigh: I would be nuts to challenge the drive and comfort these German cars provide. I couldn't agree with you more. My issue is the host of silly problems that these cars can create when they are practically still new....everything from windows getting stuck to door locks jamming to radiators popping. You go to get them fixed and the bill will make you faint. I think these cars should never be purchased without warranty. Apart from that, give me an S-600 tank shape any day. haha.

SBallerk2: thanks!

Its really too bad if Honda and Toyota are pulling out of the sports car/racer boy car market. I was really looking forward to some kind of crazy fast ride from Honda (non- S2000), not that they had ever given any indication that they were on that path in the first place, but still. You know, I actually saw some prototype Supras on some Jap mags my brother brought back from Japan. Some where straight up UGLEEEE. I mean....holy crap ppl! Has toyota taken up an ugly fetish or something? First the boring ass corolla (WHY would anyone take this over a civic??) then the box thing. The last gen supra was a blast, and I kinda like the new Solaras.


When I get the money...Aston Martin V, Rolls Phantom, a Zonda, and a Viper. (0o0oh yeah and a T-28 KILLER for my eclipse, hahaha).

[smokeymicpot]

my brother lives out there and thats all he sees he says is bmw and audi and all bad ass cars and i look'd at your thing and it says you got it with 65,000 miles on it you dont know what happen to that car before you got it you dont know how it was driven. i drive my bmw hard as hell and pay some one to clean it up before i sell it to make it look good and win you say drive it off the show room floor you mean 0 miles not 65,000 like what you got try spending 70,000 for a new one they well just give you a dif car if that happens... and every one else dont get me wrong i love honda always well there fun toys...

[Shpyder]

The point is, no car ought to be behaving like that at 65,00 miles, especially not a $75,000 Benz. What does driving hard and previous history have to do with the windows malfunctioning, the AC going out, the door locks messing up, the sunroof jamming, tail lights going bust, gauges stopping from working? These parts are not maintained, they cannot be maintained. How do you maintain a door lock? Sure you maintain the engine. But I never said anything about engines falling apart. Its everything besides the engine & tranny. The longivity of non-maintainable parts like these say something about the quality... the 99-03 mitsubishi Galants were horrible quality. You have everything from paint fading after 2 years to hard-as-rock leather, to the stereo malfunctioning. We have 2 GTZs in our family. The engine or tranny didnt break down..so hurray I guess huh. As I said...German cars w/o a warranty is suicide.

[SRV BOY]

NSX can take a 3000gt anyday! your making me laugh man. Nsx is fast for a n.a. engine.

[MunG35]

my enzo will own you all and as for this thread honda can make a decent car that can last unlike bmw and mercedes, but i dont even think it's fair to compare since a honda costs like $17k when a ben costs like 50... cut the crap and admit that in the honda price range, there isn't a better buy that will last longer and have the same potential as any other car in the price range.

[510prelude]

"I agree, the tC is a LOT better. I actually like it. I don't
know, I think I'm starting to like Elements too though...I saw a black one
lowered with 18" hyperblack 5Zigens...tinted and stuff....guys, it looked pretty
sweet. My brother went to Japan a few months ago, and he told me the cool thing
there was to own a freakin minivan..yes guys, a minivan . I think the Element
and the bX wont last in the American market as far as their target audience is
concerened. I mean, what American kid would pick a box over something like an
eclipse or a mustang or a lude? Defies me."


Yeah, ill admit some elements have grown on me, some xb's to. I mean if i was into cruising or just show or just a nice roomy daily drive I think I'd buy one, but thats just me.

[crzyCollegeKid]

Z8 anyone? ;-)

of course...(don't flame me for this, i'm just talking crap, i'm bored)...if honda brought back the del sol lineup, stretched the engine bay an extra foot or two, and dropped in a cadillac northstar v8, put a freaking killer ass suspension on it, honda would be just as fun without a turbo

[r8erz4life]

Originally Posted by MunG35

cut the crap and admit that in the honda price range, there isn't a better buy that will last longer and have the same potential as any other car in the price range.

i 100% agree. also, thank you sphyder for not being a dick like most of the gsx owners on these forums. i love the gsx and i love the prelude.

honda is playing this smart. years from now everyone will be buying hybrid cars, and they are just getting an early jump on things...

[Moe21]

didnt read the whole thread but about your question

i asked that question to myself quite some time ago, honda manufacturers are not aiming at fast cars, they are an economy car system, if they werent, why else did they come out with a car that makes 60 mpg instead of a s3000

[crzyCollegeKid]

when i get money...i'll buy a freaking helicopter

[Shpyder]

MunG35: Ofcourse hondas are the best bang for the buck, but this post wasn't about that. I was solely talking about sports car/ entry level sports class for ages 17-27.

SRV BOY: I was talking about the VR-4 3000GT. That twin turbo would smoke the pants of an NSX. And yeah, for a n.a. the NSX is the best sports 6 cyl out there. The silk smooth tranny and excellent aerodynamics make up for the lack of aggregate hp.

r8erz4life: thanks.. it is important to look at both sides of an issue always. Honda has unmatched reliability and quality. But I think your right, they are a mature brand now and are moving on to different things...fast cars were never really their thing.

[Tennis Shoe Eater]

You all should try buying a Ford. They make great cars. Cheaper than Honda

[SRV BOY]

NSX - 0-60 4.7 secs thats all i need to say.
Tell what your twin turbo can do

[SRV BOY]

1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.60
1997 Acura NSX-T 4.8 13.30

Thats more accurate. Oh year sphyder really smoke the pants of an nsx. I hate people that talk bullshit. I think Mitsuibishi is getting boring, what cars do they have. The new eclipse is slow and looks crap. Mitsubishi is also unreliable. They had a recall a little while back. I personally think Mitsubishi is crap. It is also not very popular. Go to a Mitsubishi forum and so how many people are in their compared to the honda/acura forum. Sorry buddy but Mitsubishi compared to honda sucks big time