Bugatti not a driver's car . . .

[Chris]

good point...

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by vectorclub


It is a good thing the world has those "pesky" collectors. Having a mix of drivers and collectors help keep them on the road and keep some for the future generations to see. Museums can help people to learn about great automobiles. I know I benefited greatly from seeing the Blackhawk Automotive Museum, the old Harrah's collection, Nethercut Collection, Towe Museum, Petersen Museum, and San Diego Auto Museum. All of these museums offer cars that many have never seen. In the case of the Blackhawk Automotive Museum they present the cars in a style that brings out the artistic side of the automobile.

Many Bugatti's would be recycled scrap metal by now if it was not for some of those "pesky" collectors. We can only hope the world will have a good balance of collectors and drivers.

lol.... i was just saying that if i had an EB110 than i'd keep it away from those "pesky" collectors that'll be after it
don't worry, there are enough of'em out there... just if i had that bugatti, i wouldn't want them takin mine

[Speedfreak17]

I think Buggati is a driver's car
Here are specs for the Bugatti EB 110 Supersport
Bugatti EB 110 SS - Specifications Engine 4 stroke Otto cycle
Characteristics 60 degrees "V", 12 cylinders
Position mid-longitudinal
Bore and stroke 81 mm x 56.6 mm
Total cylinder capacity 3500 ccm
Compression ratio 7.65 : 1
Maximum Power 450 kW (610 CV), 8250 g/1´
Specific power 129 kW/liter (175 CV/liter)
EEC maximum torque 611 Nm (62.3 kgm), 3750 g/1´
Maximum running 8500 g/1´
Construction monobloc built in light aluminium
Cyl. heads / links alloy RR 350 Cu / titanium
Valve gear / drive gear driven / 2 camshafts for each group
Valves x cylinder inlet: 3 , exhaust:2
Supply Bugatti Multipoint electronic injection
Superch. / max superpressure 4 IHI turbosupercharges / 1.2 bar
Ignition capacitive discharge, 1 coil x cylinder
Lubrication dry sump. lubricant: Elf Victory HTX
Clutch single dry plate, hydraulic power assisted
Gearbox 6 speed with synchronization + reverse
Gear ratios 1.st= 1:3.06 2.nd= 1.2.19 3.rd= 1:1.159
4.th= 1.1.24 5.th= 1:1.1 6.th= 1:0.82 Reverse= 1:3.583
Transmission permanent integral on 4 wheels
Front/rear/central diff. free / selflocking at 45% / epicycle
Rear-axle ratios front 27% / rear 73%
Chassis carbon fibre single block
Body 2 door saloon in aluminium
Suspension independent
Front double wishbone with pull rod
Rear double wishbone
Steering rack-and-pinion power assisted
Backing Sytem double hydraulic circuit, ABS Bosch Bugatti
Front and rear brakes floating disk ventilated ø 332 mm
Wheels
Rims BBS aluminium forged composite wheel rims
Tyre Michelin Pilot SX MXX3
Front 245/40 R18 x 9J
Rear 325/30 R18 x 12J
Electrical System 12v, alternator 140A. battery 64 Ah
Size
Max. lenght / max. width 4400 mm / 1940 mm
Max height / min ground 1114 mm / 128 mm
Wheel base 2550 mm
Front track / Rear track 1550 mm / 1618 mm
Weight
Normal running weight 1570 kg
Distribution front: 40%, rear: 60%
Performance
Acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h 3.35 sec.
1 km standing start 19.5 sec.
Maximum speed 351 km/h
Fuel Consumption (EEC Std 80/1268)
Urban cycle 29.9 liters / 100 km
Constant speed at 90 km/h 12.9 liters / 100 km
Constant speed at 120 km/h 14.3 liters / 100 km
Tanks 2 independent 100 litres of total capacity
Antipollution Device 2 x 2 3-way catalyst/oxygen sensor
secondary air injection; petrol vapor collector;
oil vapor collector; ecological ELF lubricant

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[gang$tarr]

that's like a lemans car, i don't think that's a road car

[i_rebel]

Understand, I've never tried to say that Bugatti's aren't capable performers or that they are automobiles built to be granny driven or pampered.

So, Speedfreak, while you bring a lot of interesting information to the table you like some others have missed my point . . .

I'm saying that they are VERY EXCLUSIVE automobiles . . . and someone that buys a Bugatti, will not be buying it as a daily driver.

Follow: Someone with the finances to purchase a Bugatti, is most likely adding it to a collection of autos . . . and will probably be able to count on his hands how many times it has been driven after a year of ownership.

Cars like that are bought by people who intend to have it as an addition to their stable of cars, NOT by people who plan to use it as a mode of transportation.

Anybody who would by a car like that with the goal of driving it on a daily basis is an ass, and clearly such asses do not exist in our world . . .

Unless you happen to know someone like that . . . ??

[XOTech]

There are only 2 or 3 EB110s in the US. I have seen one of them, it is blue. In Europe I have seen several other cars, both SSs and non. For the buyer of a Bugatti, it is purely on a collecting basis. The car is very tempermental and few technicians in the US will even look at them and even fewer are really qualified to do so. I appreciate the Bugatti for its bold re-entry into the supercar market, but it fell quickly by the wayside. It is a very neat car. In terms of capability, it is up there with the best of them. It was quite clear that the quad turbos carried much of the weight to give the car the supercar numbers it needed to get to the precious few in the true "supercar" pile.

Occasionally, I will get a client that wants an EB110. They are very difficult to get into the US, but it can be done. I have sold other cars that stayed in Europe, but the market will always be there, a very small market, but a market nonetheless.

As for the new Veyron. Hmm.. I am extremely impressed. It takes the supercar gene and takes it to the next step. It still does not alter my personal favorite, the McLaren F1, but it does make one think. The Veyron has pushed the barrier in many technical fronts. The W16 is an impressive Engineering accomplishement. I was able to sit in the two-tone blue Veyron at the Geneva Auto Show this last March in Switzerland. Since that time, I have had negotiations with the factory about bringing the car to the US. The car is vastly expensive, a fact that I am not sure many owners can overcome. The quality is impecible. The one figure that has been thrown on the table is nearly impossible to swallow... the car WILL BREAK 186mph IN UNDER 14 SECONDS. (Direct quote from Bugatti president, Karl-Heinz Neumann)

There is an updated Veyron now being promoted through the show circuit. It is the Red and Black car. There are several key details that are updated, all of which are aimed at bringing the car towards production in sometime close to 2003. We shall see. If the car becomes a reality, it will most certainly eclipse the EB110. Anyone for pics??

[Chris]

186mph is 300km/h, for those wondering the significance of that figure.

0-60 is estimated at 2.5 seconds. Top speed is est. 252 mph (406km/h).

Awesome.

The quad turbo V16 is amazing

Here are a few pics:

[XOTech]

Thanks for posting the pics of the newer Veyron prototype. Supercars.net is right on top of things as usual. Not even the Bugatti website has images of their newer car. I will still post a couple of the blue car that I saw in Geneva.

[gang$tarr]

the last interior i saw looked like the inside was all orange carpet, like a shaggin waggon... lol

i'm glad to say that looks ALOT better

[i_rebel]

XOTECH:

- Thanks for addins some pertinent validity to this exchange. Indeed, these are very unique cars.

[XOTech]

As promised, although a bit slow in doing so, here is an image from the Geneva Auto Show in March, 2001. As a result of previous contacts with the Bugatti factory, I was invited to step onstage with the car turning slowly around and around. The factory rep was very kind to me. She further extended an opportunity to sit in the car. It is quite impressive in pictures, but it is another thing again to see it and feel it in the flesh. Very exciting car.

[i_rebel]

Have you had the opportunity to drive any of the Bugatti offerings?

[Hudson]

VW only has a few concepts...no "offereings" yet.

[i_rebel]

READ dammit . . . lol . . .

Has there or has there not been anything on the road bearing the name Bugatti?

I'm asking XOTECH if he's ever driven a Bugatti . . . next I plan to ask him for driving impressions . . . if he's ever driven one.

I'm not talking about VW concept cars here . . . I'm sorry if you misunderstood

Follow?

[vectorclub]

I'm not talking about VW concept cars here . . . I'm sorry if you misunderstood

Since VW owns Bugatti, I think Hudson made a valid comment. The VW supercar and new Bugatti will share parts. The VW W12 is supposed to be along the lines of a NSX in terms of price. The Bugatti concept car might become availible for press rides in 2002. The last Bugatti for the street was the EB110 and you can still by them under the name Daur. It was a solid car, it was just a poorly managed company. If they had not wasted so much money on fancy offices and other items they may have stayed in business long enough to become a real company again. Instead they were a "flash in the pan"and went belly up. Then VW took the name and added to it their collection famous european name plates.