Evo. Vii Tranny??

[rEVOlution]

The thing that pisses me off is that SOME people on this board think they can beat an AT in the 1/4...THAT's the point i was making. Cause i'm tired of all the shit about how "Manuals can beat an Auto anytime in the 1/4." It's bullshit and i'm tired of all the smack people have been talking. I was STRICTLY talking about shifting faster...if you want to talk about cornering then we can talk about cornering...sole changed his arguement from saying that he can change gears faster then an auto to...."Well in cornering..." No one buys auto's for rallying or any such business. Like i stated before...Auto's switch faster then any human. That was my arguement...

MANUALS don't get better gas mileage where are you coming from???

Now....wanna talk about cornering?

[Derek888]

As for standard automatic cars on the street I dont think it can shift faster than a manual gear box. If you compare two cars identical cars and race them in a straight line with 1 being an auto and the other with a manual, the automatic transmission car will lose.

Now if your talking about a rally car with clutchless shifting in which they shift by pushing up or down on the gear lever then its faster. Like an F1 car it shifts fast with a puch button, which I know that will be faster than a manual clutch with stepping on the clutch. But then again thats a F1 race car so cant compare it with a production car.

[rEVOlution]

Jesus Christ Derek shut up...
you've made me mad talking shit like the manual gearbox is faster then an auto...

[Soleman20]

Here are some quotes from some articles...

"...manual transmissions (those that require stick shifts) usually get better gas mileage than their automatic counterparts. And because you control the gears, acceleration and hill climbing will prove more effective. Also, downshifting can save wear and tear on your brakes and provides more control in icy or rainy conditions."

Link: http://www.learn2.com/06/0689/0689.asp

"An automatic transmission will have an average of 5-11% poorer fuel economy than to a 5 speed manual transmission that is used properly."

Link: http://www.carjunky.com/news/newtext/40d.shtml

"Like Honda, Toyota knows how to make high-mileage cars. And the Echo's 1.5-liter, 108-horsepower four-cylinder engine combines surprisingly good acceleration with mileage of 34 mpg in city driving, 41 on the highway with a manual transmission (31/28 mpg if you get the automatic)." **notice decreased gas mileage w/the auto**

Link: http://money.cnn.com/pf/autos/featur...age/page4.html

HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO U NEED rEVOlution??????????

[asian_kien]

Here's the DL on automatics and manuals to clear everything up.

Automatics do shift faster than manuals. However, you lose low end torque in the lower RPM range. With a manual transmission, you don't shift as fast, but you get more power off the line and when cycling through the gears.

Nowadays, you can see them improving automatics every which way. I believe it is either BMW or Mercedes that has the Tiptronic transmission so that less power is lost during an automatic shift. Same thing with Ferrari's paddle shift system seen in the 360 Modena. You can upshift and downshift qyuicker than standard manuals and not lose power like that of an automatic.

[asian_kien]

Anyways, my point is, a manual is faster. So a manual produces wheel spin during launching speeds? Are you a good 1/4 mile runner? I think not. The Viper Hennessey 800 can get a quarter of 10.23 seconds or so. And the tires don't spin, why? Because they warm up the treads on the tire, and let the engine rev up to about 3500 and launch. With that it keeps the tires to stick on start up.

Think about it? Have you ever ridden in a manual and an automatic? Even if it was a low powered car, the manual has a very smooth and powerful type of acceleration, nothing like an auto.

Control with a manual in turns is also much easier. You want an Evo. OK...it has mad cornerning and stuff...but how the hell are you going to control a drift with an auto? You have to keep RPM range high when you are drifting. It is very hard to do that with an auto.

And you don't get wheel spin in an auto because it has jack shit for torque low end.

With a six speed, it means lower gear ratios. Which means quicker shifts through all the gears...which equates to quicker acceleration.

OK I'm done now...people need to get facts straight before they open their mouths about cars.

[japspec4g63]

what about his question STI vs EVO VII? both are awesome cars, but most people rate the VII as the better one. anyone watch Best Motoring?

[Derek888]

Every Best Motoring video I saw had the EVO VII beat the STI around the track. Either the EVO came fisrt or second place against the other cars which were NSX, Skyline R34, RX7, STI , etc... On another video they had all these cars including a Porsche 996 and E46 M3 racing in the rain around the track. But the Evo came first because you all should know Evo's handle very well in the rain also.
The STI would come last or second to last. If you have a chance check it out your self and see how it performs. I saw about 6 videos total and it always beat the STI around the 5 lap track. But on straights they were about the same. Not here to dis on STI's but just letting you know what I saw. When comparing the EVO VII and STI the Evo simply beats it around corners.

[rEVOlution]

i said off the line acceleration and shifting are better with the automatic, but the MANUAL beats all...I prefer the manual. People on here were talking about how the manual shift's faster then an auto...

My point...Auto's are tuned to be fast. Manuals...lay in the drivers arm and reflexes...

And as for the MILEAGE confrontation...WHO uses the manual properly???? You pump in and out of gears at high RPM making the car guzzle the gas. You do realize that i'm emphasizing the whole 'proper use' don't you? Another thing...your talking about a 5-11% change??? Who's going to notice a 5-11% change? 'Cause i sure as hell wouldn't...your talking 1-3mileage change from two exactley identical cars. ANOTHER thing....you talking about the focus doesn't mean shit. That car was made for teenie boppers...or daddy's little princess...sooo....give me some more.

[Soleman20]

Since this is a Lancer forum, lets take the 120HP US Lancer, one manual, and one auto:

The manual will win 0-60...

The manual will win in a 1/4 mile drag race...

The manual will win a race on a track with turns...

And the manual will get better gas mileage...

In daily driving, a 5-11% gas mileage increase adds up after 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years.

[rEVOlution]

I'm done arguing with you about this...

[Soleman20]

Ahhhhh, he forfeits at last...

[Humanoid Typhoon]

*waves the white flag around*

[Mekanikal Threat]

To all those defending the NEW WAVE TECHNOLOGY automatics......I have a few simple questions that should show your misunderstanding.....Lets say I drive this new ferrari with its updated automatic transmission.....lets just say im city driving.....not racing just flashing around running errands in my ferrari....is the transmission gunna bring it to redline every time before it shifts? because if it does thats alot of wasted gas for cruising around.....alot of extra strain on my engine for no reason..they dont do this....they dont shift at redline *optimal engine performance* they shift at optimal fuel and saftey performance......I have a sedan thats an auto..its nearly impossible to get the computer to shift at redline....so then...what if i want to race? I lose...another thing.....The z06 with all the L options is the fastest production muscle car ever....can you get it in auto? Hell no! why? Cause its a race car and not a city econ cruiser.....or even a flashy ferrari...
Give me the feel control and knowledge of a manual over an auto any f'ing day thats just my opinion

[rEVOlution]

call it what you like.