Best engine

[Porsche]

True, a lot of V-12's don't have as high of HP/L as small four bangers. With a Turbocharged or Supercharged engine it's fairly easy to break 100 HP/L. The one thing 'm not understanding is why BMw decided to make such a powerful engine for the Mclaren (I know it is a race derived Engine) and why you don't see higher number in BMw's other engines like there V-12 for the 750iL and their infamous 5.0L V-8 found in the M5 and Z8. I'd like to see that thing up to about 450HP.

[VTEC V6]

Originally posted by Lizard King

Also remember high hp/l is much more difficult with larger engines. That is why the Honda S2000 engine has low hp/l when compared to a titchy Honda motorbike engine.

the s2000 engine has made a world record of the most hp/L out of any naturally aspirated prodcution engine
120hp/L and i think it got beat now by one of the new honda bikes which has 130hp/L, so the s2000 by no means has low hp/L

it lacks torque but not hp

[Lizard King]

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....Read what I said again. I never said it low hp/l, I said it had low hp/l when compared to certain bikes engines. My point was to show that smaller displacement engines are easier to get high hp/l from.

[Porsche]

Uh, not to get technical or anything but, that's not entirely accurate.... Lawnmower engines have a top Horsepower of about 8 and that's pushing it, They must have the displacement of a small dirtbike engine at least, maybe 25cc. So I guess that puts the ratio at?

[Lizard King]

Well, it doesn't always work out that way. I never said smaller engines ALWAY have higher hp/l. I said that it is easier to make high hp/l from a smaller engine. Larger engines will always have more potential though.

[joeB]

Nissans "VQ" is the best engine ever made

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by joeB
Nissans "VQ" is the best engine ever made

Please that has to be one of the worst engines Nissan made. The cranks are shockingly weak. At one of our local tuning houses, I happen to see none other than (4) 300ZX twin turbos with broken cranks, all were the number 3 journal.

The RB series is the flagship. Even though Nissan only proclaims 275 bhp in the R34 Vspec ll GTR they have been dynoed at over 350bhp off the show room floor. If you remove the restictor plug in the boost control line to the control valve they will boost to 1 bar factory pushing the hp over the 380 bhp mark. That is with no modification to anything else including removing the cat.

I hate to burst peoples bubbles about the WRX and EVO's with their proclaimed 275 bhp, but when actually put on a chassis dyno they throw less than 155 kw at the wheels, that is 202 bhp to the wheels, while two R34 GTR's with their proclaimed 275 bhp threw 225kw (310bhp) and 227kw (304bhp) respectively. This is on the same dyno at the same day.

As much as I love the GTR it is hard to argue against the 13B rotary of the twin turbo charged FD RX7 Bat.

[Polygon]

Well I am not sure if it has the most power per liter, but the 511 and 528 Hemis will put out over 700 HP and Torque right out of the crate.

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by Polygon
Well I am not sure if it has the most power per liter, but the 511 and 528 Hemis will put out over 700 HP and Torque right out of the crate.

Care to elaborate a bit more on these two motors. I have never heard of them and what car did they come in.

[Polygon]

Chrysler created the Hemi, otherwise known as the elephant motor. The popular size is the famous 426 Hemi which produces over 500 HP and Torque. It could be found in the Dodge Charger, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Road Runner, Plymouth GTX, Plymouth Cuda, and the Plymouth Superbird. Later on they made the two "crate motors." This meaning that they were never put in any factory car. Chrysler made them for people who felt that the 426 just wasn't enough for them, so they made the 511ci and 528ci Hemi engines. To be more exact the 511 Hemi produces around mid 600 HP and Torque and the 528 is over 700HP and Torque right out of the crate.

Chrysler has plans to remake the Hemi in a 360ci size for the Ram's, Jeep's, and hopefully the new Charger R/T.

[RazorGTR]

Oh ok cool. Cheers

[joeB]

I dont know what land your on but here the Maxima is the flagship
and the VQ is one of the best engines ever made. There is nothing weak
about them, dont talk about engines that you know nothing about.
Besides this forum says best engine, thats whY I said the VQ...

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by joeB
I dont know what land your on but here the Maxima is the flagship
and the VQ is one of the best engines ever made. There is nothing weak
about them, dont talk about engines that you know nothing about.
Besides this forum says best engine, thats whY I said the VQ...

I am from Chicago orginally but now reside in New Zealand. The engine is was refering to is probably not part of your vocabulary so here it is in a nut shell.

Until recently the US never got to enjoy the Nissan Skyline. The engine is the RB series. The engine you are reffering to is weak and plain and simply a family sedan motor. The Maxima is not a flagship by any stretch of the imagination and I hightly suggest you do some research. Nissan put the VQ V6 motors in the the 300 ZX twin turbo. That car is not even on the same page as the Skyline in performance. Nissan's flagship is the GTR full stop. Designed and produced to compete in the JGTC (Japanese Grand Touring Car) series. The Maxima is a bloody family car mate.

Now before you go and make yourself look even more foolish check in to it. The R32, R33, & R34 GTR's come out as a proclaimed 275 bhp as per the agreement of the Japanese auto manufactures and Governments friendly agreement. R34's dyno tested off the show room flow have produced more than 320 BHP. My R32 GTR which is a 1992 will throw more power at the wheels then the Maxima will have at the fly wheel. So your little Maxima would not even come close to that. The RB26DETT that is 2.6 liter straight six with twin turbos would absolutely shit all over that VQ 3 liter powered Maxima.

Just because you live in the States does not mean you see the best of the best. Actually up until the last year Evo's, WRX's, and GTR's were very little known. You would have only seen them on TV or on the net. You will start seeing more of them filtering in.

Now unless you can provide some proof of that VQ Maxima being the flagship of Nissan, which I know you won't maybe a retraction would be nice.

[V.S.]

Originally posted by Porsche

I didn't say the highest HP/L makes the best engine, that's why I tacked on the 275 at the end. It's a small displacement High HP engine, therefore it is good.

So its not good because of HP/L, but it is good because its small displacement and high HP?

Winston's onto something. Judging engines(In terms of "best") based on peak HP per liter is like judging the attractiveness of women based on bust size per pound.

[joeB]

Please ddont tell me Im foolish when you are the one that is stupid here.
I dont care what Nissan you think is the flagship
but your wrong, maybe you think your smarter than the people at Nissan
but I highly think not. Why is it you want to say that The VQ is a weak
family car motor? If its making 255 this year I really dont think that is
considered weak. Dont make yourself look stupid by saying yourself
that some other Nissan product is the flagship. Since the Skyline isnt
here in the US, why are you bringing it up so much?, when people put
best engine here , I was assuming in the USA,. By the way, the VQ that
is in the Maxima and 02 Altima is far from being weak.... If you havent
got a clue on the engines In talking about maybe YOU need to do some
research yourself before you make yourself look stupid....