Technique forum please?

[RACER D12]

Well you could do a Scandinavian flick. Which is where you steer the opposite way you want go and quickly flick it back causing the car overseer. This might be a little sketchy at high speed though.

[BMWDrifter]

When I try the scandanavian flick on tarmac do I keep the throttle on the whole time, if not, at what point should I take the throttle off? I also would like to know where an american could purchase good rally videos, I dont have SPEED channel.

[drftk1d]

what kind of car do you have bmw drifeter?

[BMWDrifter]

1997 318i

[RACER D12]

well right before the flick is where you let off the throttle then as you slide you get back on the throttle. At least I think that is how its suppose to go. Not sure because I have never done it.

[Bunta]

If your 318i is an automatic... then get one that isn't. That is all I can say about that.

When I flick my 2002 into a tail slide, I usually just downshift into second at the crucial moment. I never try to get the tail out with lift off oversteer. If I'm lifting off in a high speed corner, it either means it's decreasing radius or there's a bee in my eye (and I'm about to meet Mr. Roadside Hedge).

Ah, old cars rock...

[BMWDrifter]

My 318i is a manual, second gear is the best to get the tail out, but it only works if i'm going 25mph, and the turn is really small. What about a braking drift in 3rd gear? Explain to me the best way to accomplish this. I also want to know the best tires for losing traction on purpose

[FFDriftweapon]

Scandinavian flick works like so: turn car the wrong way approaching the corner while lifting off if you're approaching relatively slowly or braking if you're more confident and going faster, then right as the car loads up on that side fully release the brake and nail the throttle, or just nail the throttle if you are lifting off.

Braking drift is an extention of trail braking (braking in towards the apex to enhance turn in) but you enter faster, brake harder and steer more. Basically, you unload the rear tires then load the car up hard enough to make it slide. Once again you then nail the throttle. The better you get the less steering work you will require to make the car slide.

For drift tires, you can go to a scrapyard or buy cheap no name style tires with the minimum tread width that fits your rims. Running too much pressure in the rears helps as well if your purpose is just going sideways, obviously this will cause them to wear quickly and in the centre.

[FFDriftweapon]

Sorry that should say this:

Scandinavian flick works like so: turn car the wrong way approaching the corner while lifting off if you're approaching relatively slowly or braking if you're more confident and going faster, then right as the car loads up on that side turn into the corner, and once the weight is shifting across to the other side fully release the brake and nail the throttle, or just nail the throttle if you are lifting off.

[BMWDrifter]

Does anybody here try drifting on dirt and gravel roads. (Not necessarily drifting but tail-out driving). and if so whats the easiest way not to hit a tree when your understeering, and the steering wheels at full lock in the direction you want to go, -shift down , drop the clutch and floor it? I also want to know why people are caught up on things like "downhill", and "streetracing", illegitimate gravel rally is by far the funnest thing I've ever done. If you want to leave the drifting forum, and go to the rally forum I will, the problem is that all the threads in the rally forum are by people who dont participate in the actual execution of the sport.

[kfoote]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

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Here's the terms I described
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Slidejob: (used in double apex corners) moving your line away from the first apex to slide up, hook high in the corner, and then blast down to the second apex where your much more diagonal line throws up a block upon exiting the corner.

Diamonding: (used in double apex corner) clipping the first apex, shooting to the outermost edge of the corner and then holding that outside line. (so called because when you do it at both ends of the track it resembles a diamond)
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I'm surprised no one caught this sooner...I believe the terms and descriptions here are reversed. A slide job is an increasing radius line, usually this line is used on an oval passing someone on corner entry, then sliding up to block the car on the higher line. Most common on dirt ovals where running on the cushion is the faster overall line, or on tracks where the high line is faster (Indianapolis Raceway Park comes to mind as an example), but needed to pass someone.

Diamonding is usually used in high powered cars where increased corner entry speed and getting on the throttle sooner is exchanged for a slightly lower mid corner speed. The Nextel Cup cars at Bristol are a good example, where mid-corner the cars are 5-10 feet off the bottom of the track in the center of the corner, but are right on the bottom in corner entry and corner exit. Another example on a road courde is Big Bend (turn 1) at Lime Rock Park, where the next SPEED World Challenge race is from. Here the diamonding is due to other factors (the corner is decreasing radius), and works in low powered cars as well.

[Bunta]

Originally Posted by BMWDrifter

Does anybody here try drifting on dirt and gravel roads. (Not necessarily drifting but tail-out driving). and if so whats the easiest way not to hit a tree when your understeering, and the steering wheels at full lock...

Don't turn the wheel so much. Agh, I can't imagine thrashing an E36 like that. They're really not meant for that (no matter how well they perform) type of thing. BMW never intended their cars to be out in the woods with ten sets of driving lights on the roof and gravel eating away at the floorpan. E36's are such nice looking cars.

Get a 320i to trash, or a datsun B210.