What happened to 'street racing?'

[GTStang]

Kids are the one's who dominate street racing and what do most kids have in common is not having lots of money(no matter what the year). So the scene has change from old full size cars with big blocks and kids changing carbs and intakes to small econo cars like civics with CAI and shit. The bottom line is every year kids hoppin up cars and racing gets larger and larger. SO it becomes more of a problem every year.

As far as the voilence in street racing it is not that racing has change but generations have change. Our generation is more voilent as a whole than generations before us. Not just in street racing forum but in the whole landscape of things.

[duffman667]

look i truthfully have nothing against ricers.. well most of them atleast i mean hell i drive one. but i would trade my car off in a second for an old road runner or charger. i just think they look cooler with blowers and stuff. and they are way easier to work on and any mechanic will back me up on that. (do not reply to above statement if you happen to be a import mechanic lol)

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by duffman667

look i truthfully have nothing against ricers.. well most of them atleast i mean hell i drive one. but i would trade my car off in a second for an old road runner or charger. i just think they look cooler with blowers and stuff. and they are way easier to work on and any mechanic will back me up on that. (do not reply to above statement if you happen to be a import mechanic lol)

I can change the size and timing of my nitrous jets, the amount of fuel delivered at various RPM, boost levels, rev limiter, etc. at the push of some buttons

...well, I could if I had my engine built like I want. The point is on modern cars (not just imports) everything is electronically controlled, giving the opportunity to change and tune by pressing a few buttons or turning a few knobs if you have the right parts installed. Doesn't get any easier than that.

[93rollaracer]

let me define that f&f comment a little better. i know there was street racing going on before the movie. what the movie did was convice a large amount of people that they were the reincarnation of Brian O'Connor (not that he died to begin with but that's another story). anyways, instead of just racing at night they drive like they're racing 24/7. they start wrecking and killing people because they don't know how to drive so the cops kinda stereo type all cars that are modified. so the movie didn't start the street racing crack down it just REALLY helped it along.
i know around here i never saw a modified foreign car (maybe very rarely a modified stang or vette or muscle car) but within a few months after the movie, there was an outbreak of airplane wings and stickers.
the movie just helped the whole process along

[AndrewR85]

Originally Posted by 93rollaracer

let me define that f&f comment a little better. i know there was street racing going on before the movie. what the movie did was convice a large amount of people that they were the reincarnation of Brian O'Connor (not that he died to begin with but that's another story). anyways, instead of just racing at night they drive like they're racing 24/7. they start wrecking and killing people because they don't know how to drive so the cops kinda stereo type all cars that are modified. so the movie didn't start the street racing crack down it just REALLY helped it along.
i know around here i never saw a modified foreign car (maybe very rarely a modified stang or vette or muscle car) but within a few months after the movie, there was an outbreak of airplane wings and stickers.
the movie just helped the whole process along

lol, I like the "outbreak" comment. Makes it sound like a disease (which, at times, it seems to be)

[GTR2b]

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

I can change the size and timing of my nitrous jets, the amount of fuel delivered at various RPM, boost levels, rev limiter, etc. at the push of some buttons

...well, I could if I had my engine built like I want. The point is on modern cars (not just imports) everything is electronically controlled, giving the opportunity to change and tune by pressing a few buttons or turning a few knobs if you have the right parts installed. Doesn't get any easier than that.

Ok, judging from your other posts in this thread, you obviously know nothing about older cars and are one of those people that feel they need to spread what they THINK they know even when it has NOTHING to do with the topic.

And for the record, there were no 400hp sports cars that ran 15 seconds in the quarter. The vast majority of the V-8s produced in the '70's averaged 220hp, that's it.

Let's not have this thread about street racing deteriorate into another "which is better" pissing contest.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by GTR2b

Ok, judging from your other posts in this thread, you obviously know nothing about older cars and are one of those people that feel they need to spread what they THINK they know even when it has NOTHING to do with the topic.

And for the record, there were no 400hp sports cars that ran 15 seconds in the quarter. The vast majority of the V-8s produced in the '70's averaged 220hp, that's it.

Let's not have this thread about street racing deteriorate into another "which is better" pissing contest.

What does the post you quoted have anything to do with me knowing anything about older cars? You're right, I don't, because I simply don't care that much about them. I never said I did, so I don't know what you're getting at. As for having nothing to do with the topic, it was directly related to the post I originally quoted. Talk to him about that.

And "for the record", This site lists the '64 Impala SS as making 425hp and tq, and the '69 Buick GS400 as making 340hp and 440lb/ft of torque, while both running 15 second 1/4 mile times. Did I mention that's a musclecar fansite, AKA biased towards musclecars? That site is also where I aquired the figures for the 375hp 15 second Camaro, so... thank you, try again.

And who is trying to make this into a "which is better" contest?

[GTR2b]

That site? That site is pathetic.

Have you ever DRIVEN a 400hp Impala? On a track? I didn't think so. I have also been building and competing in Drag Racing for the last 15 years.

Look, you said it yourself. You don't care about the older cars and that's fine. I personally don't favor either new or old cars. I own an EVO II now and I love it.

The quote that you grabbed from the other guy was taken out of context. He was talking about street racing back in the day and then you started spouting off (incorrectly) about the performance differences between new and old cars.

If I am indeed mistaken in my assumption that you are an unexperienced, net-educated, fan-boy, then I sincerely apologize. As a moderator, you see those types every day and I am sorry if I accidently took you for one.

[RazorGTR]

The entire face of street racing has changed drasticly since the late 70's and early 80's even.
You didn't have 20+ cars showing up to run and double that in spectators. Generally it was between 6-10 cars and a couple of passengers at most in each. It was more rivals vs each other than complete strangers. Meets were invite ONLY and outsiders were generally shown the road with armorment if needed. This is how we did it. It was very personal and as professional as you can get. Hell yes money was on the line. Every race, and often titles as well.
We also didn't do it in populated areas either. Always way out of towns let alone cities. Country roads were always chosen and scoped out very well before night fall. You could be fronting upwards $500 a go or more. Now back in the late 70's early 80's that was a lot of damn money to lose not to mention your pride handed to you!

Today any time is a go. There were generally drag trains and still are to the site. Everyone and their brother shows up and watches. There's the major differences. Car's have little to do with it or the types. While some may want to play off the import vs domestic at the end of the day the way it was run has changed and become very public.

Sure the cops tried to catch us, but you try sneaking down a country road, yea good luck. We always had spies sitting off the roads with cb's at the time keeping track of everything. Today it is mobile phones and a huge amount of cars. Not too easy to hide flashy cars is it, but if your car looks normal persay it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by GTR2b

That site? That site is pathetic.

Have you ever DRIVEN a 400hp Impala? On a track? I didn't think so. I have also been building and competing in Drag Racing for the last 15 years.

Look, you said it yourself. You don't care about the older cars and that's fine. I personally don't favor either new or old cars. I own an EVO II now and I love it.

The quote that you grabbed from the other guy was taken out of context. He was talking about street racing back in the day and then you started spouting off (incorrectly) about the performance differences between new and old cars.

If I am indeed mistaken in my assumption that you are an unexperienced, net-educated, fan-boy, then I sincerely apologize. As a moderator, you see those types every day and I am sorry if I accidently took you for one.

Well if that site is wrong, take it up with them. I assumed as a fansite it would be erred on their side if anything. Again, I don't know anything about older cars to know if it's right or not. Regardless, the guy was talking about how "back then" people would buy these high powered cars to street race and today they aren't available. My point was with todays technology cars don't have to make the same sheer power numbers to be as fast, and my point still holds true.

[TerminalVelocity]

Originally Posted by RazorGTR

The entire face of street racing has changed drasticly since the late 70's and early 80's even.
You didn't have 20+ cars showing up to run and double that in spectators. Generally it was between 6-10 cars and a couple of passengers at most in each. It was more rivals vs each other than complete strangers. Meets were invite ONLY and outsiders were generally shown the road with armorment if needed. This is how we did it. It was very personal and as professional as you can get. Hell yes money was on the line. Every race, and often titles as well.
We also didn't do it in populated areas either. Always way out of towns let alone cities. Country roads were always chosen and scoped out very well before night fall. You could be fronting upwards $500 a go or more. Now back in the late 70's early 80's that was a lot of damn money to lose not to mention your pride handed to you!

Today any time is a go. There were generally drag trains and still are to the site. Everyone and their brother shows up and watches. There's the major differences. Car's have little to do with it or the types. While some may want to play off the import vs domestic at the end of the day the way it was run has changed and become very public.

Sure the cops tried to catch us, but you try sneaking down a country road, yea good luck. We always had spies sitting off the roads with cb's at the time keeping track of everything. Today it is mobile phones and a huge amount of cars. Not too easy to hide flashy cars is it, but if your car looks normal persay it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb.

with that I think we should end this thread, it pretty well says everything NOT said

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[spooleffect]

Originally Posted by AndrewR85

What happened to 'street racing?'

Way too much media attention, thats what happened.

[duffman667]

never a more true word said

[RazorGTR]

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

with that I think we should end this thread, it pretty well says everything NOT said

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Who's arguing?

[justacruiser]

I'll also add that the situation has changed moneywise too. Back when my dad was a kid, he didn't have SHIT for money, just like most didn't. Neither did his parents. Despite what you think, most people buying muscle cars in the 60s were in their mid 20s, not their teens, in the 60s teenagers were driving old Ford sedans, Bel airs if they were lucky, but mostly old 30s and 40s cars that didn't even have OHV engines. The kids parents didn't have money, and even if they did they usually expected their kids to go out and get a job to pay for their car.

Also, to save money, the kids would WORK ON THEIR CARS THEMSELVES, so they would certainly appreciate how much work it takes to get some power out of a car. Now, you have a bunch of kids whose parents buy them EVERYTHING and most of them don't know SHIT about how to work on their own cars... at all! When's the last time you saw a high-school kid, (or a college kid, who should be even poorer than a high school kid), install his own turbo/intercooler setup? Or even a supercharger for that matter? Not too many do that kind of stuff anymore, while it was a standard thing to do back in the old days. With a bigger appreciation for the cost and effort to build a car, they had a little more respect for them and didn't hot rod the shit out of them at every opportunity to try and impress people around them.