Reasons to believe in science?

[_W_]

I wouldn't say that I believed in science, not in the same way someone would believe in god. But I do have extraordinary faith in it; I believe science, not science as applied to reality and the theories resulting, but the method itself as a tool for, if not knowledge, then atleast to predict reality, however strange reality will be. You ask why? I don't think I got a better answer than most religious people, apart from technology. Technology from science is so much more successful than technology from any religion (You suddenly get hit by intense pain/cramps whatever, who do you call, the doctor or the local priest/healer?). Aside from that, it's something I can't put words on, call it intuition, it just seems logically sound.

And the nice part is that science never excludes religion, while alot of religions tries to exclude science...

[MBTN]

If god created everything, then something had to create god. Nothing that was created in the first place couldn't make anything. So if god was "just here", he couldn't have made anything because he himself doesn't exist. That's why I believe in science.

[whttrshpunk]

If god created everything, then something had to create god. Nothing that was created in the first place couldn't make anything. So if god was "just here", he couldn't have made anything because he himself doesn't exist. That's why I believe in science

So you're saying that because God can't be explained through science, He can't exist? I think this is where the term "supernatural" comes in. Of course you can't explain God using things you find here on earth. You can find clues about Him, but just by studying His handywork you can't hope to fully describe Him. Just like you might be able to get a few clues about a man by looking at a house he built, but you couldn't consider yourself a close friend of his just because you saw the house. Does that make sense?(note:still sick, still drugged)Also, God wasn't "just here", He isn't anywhere. God created existence. Before creation there wasn't anything, other than God.Like I've said before, God isn't contained within time, space, or matter. He is the creator of all of these things and as such He isn't confined within them.

[_W_]

Originally posted by whttrshpunk


So you're saying that because God can't be explained through science, He can't exist? I think this is where the term "supernatural" comes in. Of course you can't explain God using things you find here on earth. You can find clues about Him, but just by studying His handywork you can't hope to fully describe Him. Just like you might be able to get a few clues about a man by looking at a house he built, but you couldn't consider yourself a close friend of his just because you saw the house. Does that make sense?(note:still sick, still drugged)Also, God wasn't "just here", He isn't anywhere. God created existence. Before creation there wasn't anything, other than God.Like I've said before, God isn't contained within time, space, or matter. He is the creator of all of these things and as such He isn't confined within them.

I don't think he said a god couldn't be explained trough science, he simply said it doesn't make sense for a god to have created existance. And I agree, it simply doesn't fit, if god exists, then he certainly didn't invent existance. As far as I'm concerned, the universe started existing the moment something existed to be the universe. A god would be that thing if you believe in one, you can't be "outside" existance, that goes against the very definition of existance at all. I couldn't care about spacetime as we observe it, that isn't necesarilly the whole of the universe.

[MBTN]

If he created existence, then how could he himself exists before existence existed (that's reduntdant )?? It doesn't make sense! YET ANOTHER TOTAL CONTRADICTION...

"He isn't anywhere. God created existence. Before creation there wasn't anything, other than God.Like I've said before, God isn't contained within time, space, or matter. He is the creator of all of these things and as such He isn't confined within them."

If he isn't contained in time space or matter, then he can't PHYSICALLY exist. Is he even a person? No. He's nothing. Like you said "He isn't anywhere." He isn't anywhere, and he isn't anything. He's simply what you make him.

[whttrshpunk]

If he isn't contained in time space or matter, then he can't PHYSICALLY exist

Exactly! He doesn't physically exist! Because He's supernatural. He's above and beyond anything we know of. That's why you say, "It doesn't make sense! ". It's not logical, we can't reason it out, but that doesn't mean it's not real. Spend a few minutes thinking about it and see what you come up with. But think objectively, don't think about God with the intent of finding some reason why He can't exist.Later.

[LjasonL]

how do u know we havent been all brainwashed by modern society to believe in science? perhaps if we had been raised away from all this technology and scientific reasoning and taught by everything around us to always think in that way, then it would be very clear that god does exist, its only clouded to us by the fact we have been taught to always think logically and not just beliave or have faith. look at the few very primitive cultures left in existence today, every member of them absolutely belives in a god of some sort. maybe it is us who have been brainwashed to NOT believe in god. just a thought...

yeah i know that didnt make much sense

[Sanchi]

GOD is a furby, and he is living in the sun as we speak... watching over us. who is gona prove me wrong!!!!

[NismoDrifts]

about being raised away from science.....cant say i agree man......no matter where you are, physics is still going to work the way it does, math is still gonna work the way it does, everything is going to be the same, people just wont be aware of it.............and all of the neat little things that happen in science will be labeled "miracles*

and wolfpac, youre right, god IS a furby...... but i thought he lived up in the clouds? ya wanna take this outside fool?!?!?!? HUH!??!!?!? sorry, prone to random outbursts

[Sanchi]

DOH i think your right NismoDrifts, i heard from this other guy, that heard from this other guy... that heard from this other guy.... that heard from this other guy..... get my point. (sound familiar..!?!?!? kinda sounds like how the bible or any writing for any religion kinda started huh...)

If i get enough drunks to start spreading the word that GOD is furby and he lives in the sun or in the clouds. well give it a couple of hundred years and that will be the a new religion.. not to mention others will add to it and we will have a whole new BIBLE.. WHOO HOOOO!!!!:flash: :frog: :smoker2: :bonghitte :bonghitte :angel: :evillaugh :jump: :ylsuper :bonghitte :smoker2: :smoker: :smoka: :frog:

[Sanchi]

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
look at the few very primitive cultures left in existence today, every member of them absolutely belives in a god of some sort.

i couldnt agree with u more




umm so what happens when their not primitive anymore?!?!

[MBTN]

ldelaysionl, that's the stupidest thing i've ever read. Brainwashed with science? People believed in religion before science. These people did some crazy shit like the Crusades. They go on suicide bombings to kill one another. Tell me who is brainwashed? They do it for God. It's pretty pathetic. God is what you make of him.

[LjasonL]

hey like i said when i 1st posted it, it doesnt make much sense, it was just a thought.

[marc49]

ok, how about mixing science with religion... what if "god" was/is a being from another dimension? now we are really getting into the science crap. lol And if that was true there is no way a 3 dimensional being could comprehend what a 4 or higher dimensional thing could do..

hey, why not?? lol

[jinushaun]

It can take being wrong gracefully. It's called the Scientific Method. Contrary to what others have mentioned, science is not set in stone. It allows room to be corrected. It explains the universe very acurately. And if in the future we happen to find a better explanation, bravo for mankind. Religion, on the other hand, is set in stone. "This is how it was, is, and will be--no arguments!"

Btw, don't bring up the whole issue about how even science can't take being wrong gracefully. It's usually the stubborn humans that resist change. But in the end, truth, facts, and laws win out in the end. And that is why I choose science over religion.

OT: MBTN, have such similar views on this topic it's scary.