Malaysia GP

[ales]

Have you heard anything about the Renault starting system? From what I heard, they found some way to circumvent the rules and the FIA can't seem to be doing anything to stop that. Any news? And Ferrari has been shaking down "new electronic solutions" for a whooping 2 laps. Could be that other teams are exploiting the same loophole.

[RallyRaider]

I only know as much as the FIA does i.e. They'll only be allowed to exploit it as long as Ferrari are still winning.

[ales]

Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:33.074

2 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 1:33.715

3 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:33.756

4 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:34.054

5 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.164

6 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:34.221

7 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 1:34.235

8 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 1:34.413

9 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.602

10 16 Cristiano da Matta Toyota 1:34.917

11 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:35.039

12 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas 1:35.061

13 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 1:35.158

14 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 1:35.617

15 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford 1:36.569

16 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth 1:38.577

17 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth 1:39.272

18 19 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford 1:39.902

19 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda

20 8 Fernando Alonso Renault

[ales]

Originally Posted by RallyRaider

I only know as much as the FIA does i.e. They'll only be allowed to exploit it as long as Ferrari are still winning.

Yada yada I'm more interested in what they're actually doing, which loophole and how they're exploiting it. But there seems to be no information on that.

[RallyRaider]

Originally Posted by ales

Yada yada I'm more interested in what they're actually doing, which loophole and how they're exploiting it. But there seems to be no information on that.

Yada yada and yada A more pertinant question would be what loophole(s) is(are) Ferrari exploiting.

[ales]

I know that one! Get the best driver, build the best car, build a stable team and, well, win races and championships. Renault launch control, or the start system, is much more mysterious

[RallyRaider]

Think we'd better call time on this tanget.
Strange phenomena though: Ferrari/Schumacher do well - all is right with the universe; another team/car/driver do well - circumvent rules, loopholes, cheating
TIME!

[ales]

I never said Renault cheated. Quite on the contrary, I'm very impressed that they managed to develop such a system. It's just one of the team personnel (I don't remember which one) said something to the effect that "other teams should read the rules more carefully" when it comes to launch control. I was just wondering what they used. But hey, I see that you don't know and would rather turn it into another opportunity to moan and bash Ferrari

Edit: Pat Symonds: "Of course, we wouldn't like to talk about it, but you only have to take a look at the rules..."

[RallyRaider]

Originally Posted by ales

I never said Renault cheated. It's just one of the tem personnel (Gascoyne? I don't remember) said something to the effect that "other teams should read the rules more carefully" when it comes to launch control. I was just wondering what they used. But hey, I see that you don't know and would rather turn it into another opportunity to moan and bash Ferrari

IIRC that quote was from Pat Symonds.
Come now Alex, you said you don't know what Renault had done but then proceeded to use words like "loophole", "circumvent the rules" and " FIA can't...stop that". Last time a big loophole was exposed it led to the term Micheatalin being used on this board.
If Alonso leads into turn one tomorrow what are the odds Todt will have drafted a minute to Max before the first stops?

[RallyRaider]

Well maybe not Alonso this time. Last to first would be a hell of a start!

[ales]

I used the words loophole and circumvent for the exact reason that I don't think it's breaking the rules in any way (as opposed to last year's Michelin...) The "FIA can't seem to be doing anything to stop that" phrase is there to illustrate just that - that so far there is no indication that the FIA see it as breaking the rules and the phrase after that tells you that I think other teams will be, or are, developing a similar system (rendering the LC rule pointless, but that's beyond the point). And big kudos to Renault for seing an opportunity and taking the advantage from that.

Version for you, so that you don't have to read between the lines of the longer one above): Renault cheat, and should be thrown out of F1, might as well take Jordan with them because I'm sure they cheat as well.

[RallyRaider]

I see several contradictions above and I'm not just refering to the last paragraph.

[freakray]

Originally Posted by RallyRaider

Think we'd better call time on this tanget.
Strange phenomena though: Ferrari/Schumacher do well - all is right with the universe; another team/car/driver do well - circumvent rules, loopholes, cheating
TIME!

That's called hitting the nail right on the head.

[Veyron]

Ferrari will be exploiting the loophole in the engine block of the Mercedes.

[ales]

Touche!