Reasons not to believe in God?

[Moppie]

Originally posted by warrior4jc



Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

"God is dead" Hegel, and Nietzsche.

And I can at least name the authors of my quote.
And even better provide extensive reasoning behind what it means.
Lets see you name the author, and provide rational and non-contridictory reasoning for the quote

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Like Texan said its plainly obviuos that man created god, not the other way round.
And that really is a nice little comparision V.S.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by warrior4jc

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Fine,but for me it's just a book.

If I believed in an idea simply because it was written in a book,I may as well open the wardrobe and go looking for Narnia.


(The Lion,The Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis)

[MBTN]

"If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire

Exactly what happened.

[jinushaun]

Originally posted by MBTN
"If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire
Exactly what happened.

Exactly.

[91HBSi]

For a moment accept that god exist.

I am sure many people can give me the definition of time. Now by definition a product of time is a beginning and an end.

Now mans greatest weakness is time, life is short, a beginning and the end.

Now lets consider this God is timeless he has always been and always will be. We are not as all knowing as god. He gave our minds great limitations so we would make decisions on faith. He gave us the limitation of believing in time, a beginning and an end, which conflicts with believing in God. We cant comprehend there not being a beginning there for our only option is to not believe in a beginning. If a theory such as the "big bang" were true then where did the factors for the "big bang" come from? How can there be nothing if nothing was never created. What would nothing consist of? What is our reality if it was never created? ....... There was a beginning but we will never understand it with our weak earthly minds, it must be accepted. The soul finds comfort in an answer. An answer that no theory or man could produce. We are only as powerful as we were created.

[warrior4jc]

For a moment accept that god exist.

I am sure many people can give me the definition of time. Now by definition a product of time is a beginning and an end.

Now mans greatest weakness is time, life is short, a beginning and the end.

Now lets consider this God is timeless he has always been and always will be. We are not as all knowing as god. He gave our minds great limitations so we would make decisions on faith. He gave us the limitation of believing in time, a beginning and an end, which conflicts with believing in God. We cant comprehend there not being a beginning there for our only option is to not believe in a beginning. If a theory such as the "big bang" were true then where did the factors for the "big bang" come from? How can there be nothing if nothing was never created. What would nothing consist of? What is our reality if it was never created? ....... There was a beginning but we will never understand it with our weak earthly minds, it must be accepted. The soul finds comfort in an answer. An answer that no theory or man could produce. We are only as powerful as we were created.

[Moppie]

I think thats the first time Iv ever seen a double post by the same person useing two differnt user names.
Unforunalty you can't hide your IP.

[Towlie]

yea thats one of the last resorts for most christians when u start getting to the nitty gritty

u dont have to say big bang, and they say that

i ask, who created god
they anwser, well where did the particles from the big bang come from

its so dumb can we just drop this subject becuase its like i said, no one can prove if t he chicken or the egg came first so no one can even ponder if god exist


its a waste of time and meaningless

u either beleive or u dont

ur either saved or going to hell

[texan]

Originally posted by 91HBSi
For a moment accept that god exist.

I am sure many people can give me the definition of time. Now by definition a product of time is a beginning and an end.

Now mans greatest weakness is time, life is short, a beginning and the end.

Now lets consider this God is timeless he has always been and always will be. We are not as all knowing as god. He gave our minds great limitations so we would make decisions on faith. He gave us the limitation of believing in time, a beginning and an end, which conflicts with believing in God. We cant comprehend there not being a beginning there for our only option is to not believe in a beginning. If a theory such as the "big bang" were true then where did the factors for the "big bang" come from? How can there be nothing if nothing was never created. What would nothing consist of? What is our reality if it was never created? ....... There was a beginning but we will never understand it with our weak earthly minds, it must be accepted. The soul finds comfort in an answer. An answer that no theory or man could produce. We are only as powerful as we were created.

The only thing your post really shows is your limited outlook on things. First off, time does not automatically imply either a beginning or an end. A recti-linear outlook of time does, which is only one of the theories man has produced about time over the millenia. At one time the more common thought was that time is cyclic, an idea which actually holds some merit (time is dependent upon matter and space, which both seem to operate in a cyclic manner). Yes, Judeo-Christian belief structure does limit the possiblities of alternate theories on time and how the unvierse operates, but remove that structure and time has no need to begin or end in any manner of speaking.

The thing most people need to get over IMO is that the information taught to them and the way of thinking which was handed down over past generations are the only things that can shape their thought processes. I highly suggest you visit http://www.geocities.com/kevinctr/ and read about alternate theories of time, then start to think hard about why God would choose to limit your ability to think in order for you to more easily find Him. In all of the lessons the Bible has taught us, it's that God is not stacking the deck in his favor for more followers, but that true faith in Him is found only through an honest choice. After all, turning over one's life to a higher power should at least be an act of free will. In the beginning He was involved with mankind's developement, but for millenia He has been silent, letting us choose by our own devices whether or not to believe in Him. That is an outlook I can accept you stating, but this crap about him limiting our intelligence in order to come to no easy conclusion other than the God theory doesn't even begin to fall inline with your Holy Bible. Actually, do you even know the origins of the Bible? Who created this book, and how did it assume it current and universally accepted form? These are not hard questions to answer, assuming you have ever looked for them before.


Ps- It's hard to answer several billion year old questions with scientific theory alone, so at least cut the cosmologists some slack there. BTW, if not the Big Bang theory, how do you explain Hubble's Law and Einstein's General Theory of Relativity holding true in current cosmolgical creation theory?

[GSr32]

I wonder what animals/insects think? Probably nothink, do they care? Their minds don't think as much or as deep as ours.

I have my theories and beliefs, however, they are all based on LOGICAL and COMMON SENSE grounds. The things I can't explain and comprehend do not keep me up at night.

Believe what you want, but enjoy what we have and live your life to the max.

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by texan
Ps- It's hard to answer several billion year old questions with scientific theory alone, so at least cut the cosmologists some slack there. BTW, if not the Big Bang theory, how do you explain Hubble's Law and Einstein's General Theory of Relativity holding true in current cosmolgical creation theory?

I wouldn't say that the Big Bang theory is wrong, I just said that there is a God and he kicked off this particular universe like a petry dish to see what happens. Its fine if you don’t believe in God, long as he believes in you, it'll be ok. It may sound trite, but if you're a parent then you kind of have the idea. You're kids think they know it all, have all the answers and yell that they hate you. Well, its a close analogy. We believe we have the answers, we scream that we don’t believe in a God, but that’s ok. God is wiser and infinitely more patient then us.

As for the folks who scream "repent or go to hell!", they'll be forgiven for being such assholes the same way the rest of us will be forgiven for our sins. God is great. Religions suck ass. Shortsighted people (both religious zealots and scientific aristocrats) need to untie their sphincter and understand that the universe is more amazing and wondrous then our comprehension.

[V.S.]

Originally posted by GSr32
COMMON SENSE

I took that out of my vocabulary a long time ago. Just bringing it up because I assume you'll do the same.

Originally posted by YogsVR4
the universe is more amazing and wondrous then our comprehension.

and yet you believe you know what started it?

[91HBSi]

Originally posted by texan



The only thing your post really shows is your limited outlook on things. First off, time does not automatically imply either a beginning or an end. A recti-linear outlook of time does, which is only one of the theories man has produced about time over the millenia. At one time the more common thought was that time is cyclic, an idea which actually holds some merit (time is dependent upon matter and space, which both seem to operate in a cyclic manner). Yes, Judeo-Christian belief structure does limit the possiblities of alternate theories on time and how the unvierse operates, but remove that structure and time has no need to begin or end in any manner of speaking.

The thing most people need to get over IMO is that the information taught to them and the way of thinking which was handed down over past generations are the only things that can shape their thought processes. I highly suggest you visit http://www.geocities.com/kevinctr/ and read about alternate theories of time, then start to think hard about why God would choose to limit your ability to think in order for you to more easily find Him. In all of the lessons the Bible has taught us, it's that God is not stacking the deck in his favor for more followers, but that true faith in Him is found only through an honest choice. After all, turning over one's life to a higher power should at least be an act of free will. In the beginning He was involved with mankind's developement, but for millenia He has been silent, letting us choose by our own devices whether or not to believe in Him. That is an outlook I can accept you stating, but this crap about him limiting our intelligence in order to come to no easy conclusion other than the God theory doesn't even begin to fall inline with your Holy Bible. Actually, do you even know the origins of the Bible? Who created this book, and how did it assume it current and universally accepted form? These are not hard questions to answer, assuming you have ever looked for them before.


Ps- It's hard to answer several billion year old questions with scientific theory alone, so at least cut the cosmologists some slack there. BTW, if not the Big Bang theory, how do you explain Hubble's Law and Einstein's General Theory of Relativity holding true in current cosmolgical creationtheory?

If you are wondering someone else was logged in on my name when they made that thingy above. Just tought you would like to know before you try and attack any of my later post :licker:

But anyway, I am not a very smart guy but from what I have learned and what I have experienced I know that God is real, so leave me alone

[whttrshpunk]

The only thing your post really shows is your limited outlook on things. First off...

And I suppose you're open minded because of what you believe? You're entitled to your opinion but please don't accuse others of being limited just because you disagree.

It's hard to answer several billion year old questions with scientific theory alone,

It's also hard to prove that our known universe has even existed for several billion years.

The thing most people need to get over IMO is that the information taught to them and the way of thinking which was handed down over past generations are the only things that can shape their thought processes

I understand what you're saying in a sense, if what you mean is not to believe everything you're told. But if you mean exactly what you said, then I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. I don't think you can automatically label something as wrong just because it was handed down. You're also forgetting a few important things. First off, not everyone who believes in the Biblical account of creation and God is an idiot. Sure some people believe blindly and don't really try to further their knowledge, but the majority of us are educated and at least halfway intelligent. One final note on God and time etc. I said it before but I'll restate it, God created time, thus He is not contained within it. It's a difficult concept to grasp, but the reason He has no beginning or end is because He is, in a sense, outside of time. I'll be back on to further this discussion some, until then.

[91HBSi]

Lol, are you calling me an idiot Travis? Sure I am not the sharpest potato in the shed, but hey.

P.s. Jonathan wrote the whole post on time or whatever, he was logged in on my name. I was like "I don't think that is right."