2g GST/GSX vs. 95-96 Mustang Cobra

[EclipseRST]

13k for a GST
15k for the mustang, you say you put 500 into it and your running low 13's

if you would have gotten the GST you would have saved yourself 2500, now if you put that into it, your running 12s! plus your insurance on the GST would have been cheaper

now how do you figure that Mitsu is the lowest they go on the import list?

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by daveshapellSVT

Stock for stock Any Cobra will rape a DSM

i would sure hope so... i mean you have twice the motor, your car should be faster, although... who keeps their car stock anyways?

[amdsoldier]

Originally Posted by daveshapellSVT

who races for slips haha? You like your car for your reasons and i like mine for my reasons. But, i don't consider Mitsubishi or chrylser better quality then Ford.. Mitsubishi is like the bottom of the barrol import.. nothing wrong with that when your running 12's, but a mustang Cobra is diffently a higher quality car than a Eclipse or talon.. I'm honest about things like that.. just in the same manner a M3 is of better quality than my stang.. And just some info on my car.. i bought it slightly used, as i'm sure most ppl buy DSM's used considering the only ones worth buying are the Turbo'd older ones, for 15K.. I was actually considering a GST at the time i even went and drove one that a kid owned.. he wanted 13K for it.. so if i would had bought that eclipse and dumped 5K into the engine i would had ended up spending almost 20k.. instead i spent 15k and an additional 500 bucks and i'm running low 13's.. think about how much faster my car would be with 5k in the motor like you.. procharger for about 3500, and i'm off and running mid 11's.. so probably for the amount you paid for your setup i'd be running deep in the 11's for the same price with the car i have. plus i've had a fast car since the day i bought it.. you've had to work at the thing a lot to get it as fast as it is today.. i mean lets be honest these two cars are in different leagues here.. Your DSM runs what, 14.9 at best stock.. my Cobra ran 13.4 nearly stock on bald tires.. all you've been doing is playing catch up.. i'm not hear to bash DSM's cause i think they are cool.. i was just giving the guy my thoughts and i didn't realize he made up his mind already..

I know what you're saying. But there are some faults at hand. It's almost 1AM and I won't go into all of them. But just touch on a couple maybe.

First you can't say Ford is better quality than a Mitsubishi. Mitusbishi has been in the business a long time and I believe are second place for producing the most engines in the world. Most people don't realize that and don't realize they build for other manufactures as well. Doesn't sound like a company that doesn't know how to build an engine... And I just drove a 02 Stang a couple days ago... was not impressed at the least. Interior was chessy, just like the bottom models of Eclipse/Talons, pastic everywhere, narrow seats, crappy shifter, I can go on, but my eyes I shutting on me. ;-)

The other thing, I dunno when you were car shopping. But right now you can find 95 TSI AWD for $5k for example MODDED. I've seen a nice 95 TSI AWD go for as low as $3500 (actually his asking price, probably hasn't sold it yet too). Point is, price is hard to figure too, cause I can get a nice turbo Eclipse/Talon for $10k with 400whp at the wheels and that would blow that Stang out of the water. So comparing that way is hard and I think useless in some ways.

Both cars are not bad, thats why both cars sell. If the stang were so much better of a value, you'd see a lot more of them. The Eclipse is better quality, AWD, better looks (my perferance), costs less, better gas milage, turbo psssst hehe, etc etc. Stang has a more mean look, RWD, deep clutch (however you call it) with long shifts (if your into that, holding power I guess). So you make your pick, but to say it's a better value (not to even mention which will hold value) or higher quality is false.

[coldhell9]

You poeple are funny. Why can't anyone appreciate a car for what it is. When built up and restored right... a beautiful machine. I have owned both of these cars in question and both have good qaulities about them. Mustangs are an american classic hands down. The cobras have hand built engines. Turboed DSM's can be built up and run just as fast. Both cars have excellent body styles. It's all just a matter of someones opinion. A car is a car and they all run on combustion engines that can be made to do some astounding things. No difference if it's a ford, chevy, or the now infamous 4g63 motor. I would however like to meet someone stupid enough to put time, money, sweat, tears, etc...and just put their title up for some stupid race.

[spyderturbo007]

Rustang Slowbra

I would take a GS-T/GS-X anyday of the week. I purchased a '97 Spyder GS-T for $12,500 with 51,xxx on the clock about 2 years ago (and believe me it's cherry). Anyway with $2500 in mods I'd be smoking you and look better doing it! Nothin' like having 1/2 the motor and takin' you to school.

[slowgsowner]

my general rule of thum is this, if your gonna run a v8 do it with class.
I myself have a mustang. but it ain't what you define as a mustang apparantly. ie junky 4.9. I wanted a real mustang ,ie 1971 mach 1 with a 429 cobra jet. (yeah its a heavy mo fo, but its got all the ponies it needs) and I got it in moderate condition (hail damage and in need of a tune) for $4000 it was already running 12s lol. but as for either getting a mustang cobra or a gst/ gsx , no contest the gst or gsx would be the way I'd go. cheaper price, cheaper insurance, and with a turbo swap just as lethal

[1g redline]

[LandoAWD]

Another retarded apples to oranges thread.

All bets are off when mods come into play.

[daveshapellSVT]

it's funny cause all the bias opinions on mustangs from you ppl are ignorant.. first off, rustang? Theres shit loads of 80's model GT's, Cobras out there.. most 15yr old kids want a 5.0... Sure i've seen some rotted out 4 banger fox bodies, but you see rotted out cars of and make and model.. just because one jerk never washes his car doesn't mean all mustang rust bad..

And obviously 2500 bucks won't smoke me in a GST when your home boy spent 5k and he's slightly faster...

As for insurance, the Cobra is almost the same.. like i said i almost bought a GST, mainly from pressure from my GF, but i had gotten quotes on both and its maybe 10 dollars difference every 6 months... Remember my CoBras a 99, i bet newer ones are pricy..

It's cool that you guys own and like your DSM's.. nothing wrong with that.. i like my car for my own reasons, but i bought the car because i feel it was a step up from a DSM.. i wanted something already fast with crazy potential.. theres nothing like the grunt of my 281 and hearing it wind out to 7 grand is great.. and i have no clue what that guy was talking about when he stated Cobras have long shifts.. i have a short shifter and 4:10 gears and do 0-60 in something like 4.6! try doing that in a slightly moded DSM

[LandoAWD]

I really hope that wasn't in response to my post.

I had a 92GT lightly modded and loved it, but traded it in on my DSM...personal preference.

What I don't get is why brand loyal owners try to beat a dead horse.

THE GUY BOUGHT THE CAR MONTHS AGO. LET IT GO.

FWIW...slightly modded (16g and supporting), I was turning 3.8 0-60s. :shrug:

[LandoAWD]

Just noticed my "beating a dead horse" could be taken as a bad pun.

Nice.

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by daveshapellSVT

And obviously 2500 bucks won't smoke me in a GST when your home boy spent 5k and he's slightly faster...

LMAO... you dont know what half of the 5k was spent on! my car was a NT when i got it, to make a NT fast isnt exactly easy, completely new motor practically, and for my GST, i'm estimating low 12s, high 11s... yes i know that asking a lot but you can get a GST/GSX into the 12s for $2500 if done right!!! but the step from 12s to 11s isnt exactly easy... hopefully with slicks so i can get some traction i will be running 11s with my RST, it definatly has the power!

[metalhedskater]

dude you can do 2 modifications (if even that) to a gsx or gst and it will rip that sotck 95 mustang a new asshole

[metalhedskater]

the cobra is only 240 hp....and for sure a stock turbo dsm can smoke a 95 mustang GT 215hp ...the 2003 may be a little harder, but with a few mods, itll give it a run for its money...check this out

95 GT 215hp ->V8<- 6-8 Grand 3281lbs
95 Cobra 240hp ->V8<- 9-10 grand 3524lbs
03 GT 260hp ->V8<- 18-20 Grand 3429lbs

95 eclipseT 210hp ->I4<- 6-8grand 2870lbs

to me the best deal i see here (and anticipating mods) i would go with the 95 eclipse turbo against any of the ABOVE LISTED mustangs....plus they look better...in conclusion....ill smoke the 95 Gt without a sweat....a grand more to be equivalent to the 95 cobra and ill smoke that.....and a few hundred bucks ill ass rape the 2003 GT...done and done

[metalhedskater]

I like mustangs, dont get me wrong...and im not being biased at all...my sister has a fucking camaro....so im not against domestics....i just truly believe that DSMs are better than mustangs hands down...the mustang is a cool car, but DSMs are awesome cars