The Fast and Irritating

[1QUICK2]

Basically what we have been doing on the street has gone on for years, only the cars have changed. We all do what we can with what we have. Anyone who races on streets, are street races as stated before. Its just sifting out the morons who cause problems and risk to others from stupidity. Although I dont agree with the modding what they are "stuck with". If you are "stuck" with an 87 civic because you dont have much money, dont use the money you make for an OBX muffler and a 3" APC wing. Its just common sense. If your car is crappy dont bring attention to it with a hughe wing. Just my 2 psi.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by ozzy619

Actually silvia your wrong Hemi's goats and what not were factory compititions. Granted kids bought em and built them but you need to go a little farther back to see hot rods. You see back in the day The old man bought a dodge Charger and you being the greatful little bugger got his old 30 or 50's ford or chevy with a flathead 6cyl. Since Kids go with whats givin to them they naturally started to modify and build what ever they had. Look at old hot rod photos that are from the time You'll see kids with model T's. A's and cars that didn't even have a flat head V8. But they were cheap and you could get a old chevy V8 for cheap so why not upgrade. Not lets come up in the years and look at the 90's. Mom or dad got a new Ford Mustang. Being the greatful little bugger you were glad to get a free Honda Civic. Of course it's small slow and has no balls BUT it was free just like the Rambler your old man first got when your grand daddy bought a 64 Mustang. Read Hot rod Magazine some time they'll even tell you the Vtec is the 350 chevy of the new century. Now don't think I like Honda's cause I hate em. To small of engine and to much work to get decent proformance in my opinon. But You have to give some credit were credit is due.

I'll get off the soap box now

That was truly classic and I completely agree!

[IAmCman]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK2

Basically what we have been doing on the street has gone on for years, only the cars have changed. We all do what we can with what we have. Anyone who races on streets, are street races as stated before. Its just sifting out the morons who cause problems and risk to others from stupidity. Although I dont agree with the modding what they are "stuck with". If you are "stuck" with an 87 civic because you dont have much money, dont use the money you make for an OBX muffler and a 3" APC wing. Its just common sense. If your car is crappy dont bring attention to it with a hughe wing. Just my 2 psi.

Point taken about the fact that they shouldn't be bringing attention to their POS cars....but hey, everyone craves some form of attention. (Well, almost everyone anyway)

But if they could buy better cars, don't you think they would have by now? And anyway...how does it hurt you or anyone else for that matter if these kids get a 3 inch wing and a shitty muffler? That's the closest they'll ever come to owning the a real "tuner" car, so let them...and besides, all it does is make your car look better

[OoNismoO]

Originally Posted by s14silvias14

all the cars that were tuned back then were muscle cars. camaros, mustangs (v8's), firebirds, Goats, Chevelles, Hemi's...ya see the pattern? back then was different...i know the whole ricer terminology and im not confused...i think maybe u have to understand that ricers want to be street racers and try to be...i think u can agree with me on that...and if you do, thats what i was tryin to tell you...and i think u got it when u said some people just shouldnt try with some cars...

you say that cars back then were all muscle cars with v8s, but thats because there werent as many options then, and its the image you get about drag cars back then, when they werent all v8 mustangs, and camaros. you also say that cars now are little four cylinder civics, but thats how it was back then too, they got low power economy cars, and stuffed bigger engines in them, just like stuffing bigger engines in civics, its just a different car. same thing back then, but different cars, and more options today. some people like the idea of getting regular cars, and modifying them to go fast. also, back then, there were movies about cars too, i bet you there were some of those wanna be street racers back then too.

[-Josh-]

Street racing= Death of some poor school girl or elderly couple crossing the road at the wrong time...Something i wouldn't want to cause. There is no good reason to street race, no not even because you enjoy "the rush." If you dont have self control to make it to any local drag strip near or far then you have problems...Or maybe even an abandoned air base.

[Layla's Keeper]

And as far as the "All muscle cars were V8's" argument is concerned, I'll slam that shut right now.

1965 Yenko Stinger.





Or for that matter, the Cosworth Vega.



And modifying four and six cylinder cars from outside the US has been around a long time, it just wasn't always called import rodding. Way back when, there were guys bolting EMPI headers and Solex carbs onto their Beetles and dudes tearing the inefficient SPICA mechanical fuel injection off their Alfa GTV's and dropping on a pair of Weber DCOE's.

Club racers, was what the group was called.

[s14silvias14]

ok ok. saying that all the muscle cars back then were v8's was a little hasty, i know that. but i think only one person actuallly understood what i was tryin to say from the start was IamCman...and Z28Josh proves a point too...the KIDS who race with no regard to people around them...and im talkin about racing in traffic without closing off a place or making it safe...I think all the ones who actually do this stuff are quick to defend but not really think about what i am saying...im not going too far into something like the whole v8 thing because i didnt really need to. as far as im concerned i think i generated enough responses and only got a couple that pretty much understood what i was tryin to tell you all.

[RACER D12]

Yo dogz U got this thing right hurrr all mixed up the forshizze. Yo when I got mee 20s rolling deep and my Airrr force one wing I cant be stoped. Yall know what this boyee be sayin! You gotta live yor life a quarter mile at a time, forrizzal. I mean that just how it tizz homie. So take yoo busted ass Demestic shit up in out hurr before I go wang chung on yoo ass wigga!! yea I know you scurrd

[Datsun3KGTTransAm]

Hey, if my little 4 cyl Dodge Shadow comes with a turbo. Then I must say, its quiet there for racing lol.

But yeah, someone mentioned about getting an Rx7 against a Muscle car on a course and watching the muscle car get beaten. Just because the muscle cars are heavy does not mean that just cannot make no turn what so ever. I mean we have cars like the Mustang SVT Cobra which supposedly makes turns at 100 mph. If you ask me, id say thats pretty crazy and some car is gonna have a rough time beating it.

[Soyo]

this thread is dumb, the whole statement "ricers are street racers if they race" and streetracer are ricers if they race" is total idiotic... first off we have ricers are street racers if they race... DUH! if anyone races they are a street racer.
then we've got if street racers race they are ricers, well if they are street racers they have to race so that is already foolishness, then comes the point from before, ricers are street racers, why must you say street racers are ricers? its the same thing just backwards... seems someone has a lack of intelligence.

now, stop talking about the difference of muscle cars and imports... the only difference is when they were built, where they were built, and what company built them... they are all sports cars in their own right so stop arguing about them

the most intelegent thing I heard was when 1quick2 said that if they are stuck with a civic don't spend the little bit of money they have on gay stuff, save for a new car... thats how I did it, I had a 1990 plymouth laser with a 1.8 that went 0-60 in 9 seconds... and it broke down once a month. well I saved for almost a year and a half to get my rx-7, but I did it, and now I can get money and put MODS on my car, I stress the word mods cuz I think mods are performance upgrades... all those wings, stickers, and chrome exhaust tips are ACCESSORIES... so never say your stuck with a car so you have to put cheap crap on it... I know from experience so don't try to pull that over on me

[IAmCman]

Alrighty, Soyo. You are just as bad as all the other morons of the forums, if not worse.

Get ready for a big post about how stupid you are.
Here we go...

Originally Posted by Soyo

the whole statement "ricers are street racers if they race" and streetracer are ricers if they race" is total idiotic...

So it's "total idiotic", is it? Something tells me you are more "total idiotic."

The stupidity continues...

Originally Posted by Soyo

this thread is dumb, the whole statement "ricers are street racers if they race" and streetracer are ricers if they race" is total idiotic... first off we have ricers are street racers if they race... DUH! if anyone races they are a street racer.
then we've got if street racers race they are ricers, well if they are street racers they have to race so that is already foolishness, then comes the point from before, ricers are street racers, why must you say street racers are ricers? its the same thing just backwards... seems someone has a lack of intelligence.

Thank you, Soyo, for repeating what I said here:

Originally Posted by IAmCman

There *IS* a difference between
"Ricers are street racers if they race"
and
"Street Racers are ricers if they race."

You are correct...It does seem that someone has a lack of intelligence. Namely you.

More idiocy...

Originally Posted by Soyo

now, stop talking about the difference of muscle cars and imports... the only difference is when they were built, where they were built, and what company built them...they are all sports cars in their own right so stop arguing about them

I couldn't agree more that they should stop talking about the differences. For once, you've said something right. But you should've stopped there, because now you've given me more material to help expose your stupidity:

If you changed where a car was built, when it was built, and what company made it, you would have an entirely different car. But you forgot some other changes...Cars have changed what they are made of, and how they are made. Add in those two things and you've got two completely different cars. On one hand, you've got the domestics of old...Mustangs and such. The most popular car of its day. Pure power machines. The classic sports cars. Today, you've got the Honda Civic...Again, it's the most popular car of its day, but is it a pure power machine? Fuck no. It's a pure gas-mileage machine. Is it a sports car? Fuck no. I could take ten shits in the time it would take a stock civic to run a 1/4 mile. Way to contradict yourself, Soyo.


But wait, there's more.

Originally Posted by Soyo

the most intelegent thing I heard was when 1quick2 said that if they are stuck with a civic don't spend the little bit of money they have on gay stuff, save for a new car...

Hmmm. Funny. Let's read 1quick2's post again. Oh, by the way, you spelled "intelligent" wrong.

Originally Posted by 1quick2

Basically what we have been doing on the street has gone on for years, only the cars have changed. We all do what we can with what we have. Anyone who races on streets, are street races as stated before. Its just sifting out the morons who cause problems and risk to others from stupidity. Although I dont agree with the modding what they are "stuck with". If you are "stuck" with an 87 civic because you dont have much money, dont use the money you make for an OBX muffler and a 3" APC wing. Its just common sense. If your car is crappy dont bring attention to it with a hughe wing. Just my 2 psi.

Well isn't that strange...it seems he mentions absolutely nothing about saving for a new car. Don't put words in people's mouths, it just gives me more things to laugh at you for.

And finally...

Originally Posted by Soyo

... so never say your stuck with a car so you have to put cheap crap on it... I know from experience so don't try to pull that over on me

I'll say they're stuck with a car...because that's the way it is for some of them. I know, for example, 2 brothers who *share* a CRX with mismatching body panels, stickers all over it, a muffler and a no-name shitty intake. Know how much it cost them to get that? A years worth of their savings...combined. They both work when they aren't at school to support their family. Does it make them "gay" or make them "fags" because they want to have a car that they can take joy in? No, I don't think it does. I know some of them can be annoying and downright stupid, but it isn't your business how they act. Keep to yourself and what to kind of cars you like.

So no, you don't know from experience, you bought a $4000-5000 car with a year and a half's worth of savings. You have no idea what it's like for them. Sorry, you just got shut down again.

Conclusion?

[ColeIketani]

My whole take on the street racing thing are that we have four catagories.

One, the street racer that has the money to install all the mods riight away and purchase the most expensive car etc. They MIGHT actually not be good DRIVERS, but they have the money to purchase the mods so they get the "Respect". (Now I say might because the are some very good drivers with good cars).

Our second group are the people with POS cars (what defines POS varies throughout people so I'm not going to get into that), who can actually drive, but since they drive cars that some people think on the outside are shitty (which again varies on opinion) they get bad mouthed. (Don't forget that there are other forms of racing than just a straight line....Ignore my nickname here for a second because I am serious" Drag racing (which is my least favorite kind of racing sport....just my opinion so no flames please) is just one of the many kinds of racing.

And third(the obvious connection here),with POS cars (what defines POS varies throughout people so I'm not going to get into that), who can't actually drive. (No matter what the age. I am sick of people giving the stereotype that just because you're young, there is a hundred percent chance you OBVIOUSLY can't have any skills. That's bull. It's true that alot of the younger drivers think that since they got an 80 or higher on drivers ed, they think they can race etc and that's just puts more people at risk. But there are a small amount of them who practice with more experianced drivers/ racers (who aren't parents so let's just kill that joke right before it starts) so that they can get better in racing.

And finally (and sometimes I think these people are the real threat) are the people who spend the time using general stereotypes trying to prove across the board about how they hate racing. (Not trying to take a shot at anyone).

So across the board, I have no problem with street racing. Humans are naturally competative so it just happens. If they are serious about racing they will take the cautions to keep "cilvians" save.

[ColeIketani]

Just another thing to tell people.....see how I expressed my opinion without calling anyone a moron or taking a shot at anyone? Now some people here have done that and some people have ruined what have could have been a good point by just trying to intimidate your opposition...come on guys, try to use some common curtousy (spelling) lol

[Layla's Keeper]

ColeIketani, you've brought up some good points about civility and about the different groups of people who are "street racers".

IamCman, you on the other hand, have made some fundamentally incorrect statements about the muscle car era. Believe it or not, the Mustang appeared at the tail-end of the first horsepower war in Detroit (and both Kenosha, Wisconsin -AMC- and South Bend, Indiana -Studebaker). The first horsepower war coinicided with the introduction of the OHV V8 by Cadillac in 1949. This was the first time when horsepower became a major sales factor in everyday cars, and engines like the Paxton blown Thunderbird V8 from 1957, the Chrysler Firepower 392ci Hemi in the 1955 Chrysler 300, and the Rochester Fuel Injected Chevy 283ci small block. This war raged on until 1963, when the factory super stockers (409 Impalas, Max Wedge Plymouths and Dodges, Super Duty Pontiacs, Ford Fairlane Thunderbolts, and R-code Paxton blown Studebakers) ruled NHRA's drag strips.

However, the AMA imposed (for safety reasons) a racing ban which stripped the Detroit companies of their factory racing programs. This, coupled with a recession that sank in during 1958, led to more awareness in compact, fuel efficient cars.

Detroit/Kenosha/South Bend's solutions to the compact car demand varied. GM took two bizarre paths; the rear mounted transaxle and aluminum V8 drivetrains of the Buick Special/Olds F85/Pontiac Tempest and the rear engine air cooled Corvair. AMC, of course, had the granny car known to all as the Rambler. Chrysler created the fancifully styled (some may say ugly, such as myself) Valiant, and Ford created the staid, bare bones, completely unimaginative Falcon. These cars soldiered on for three or four years (depending on the car) before style and sport became deisred from their usually young buyers.

The Falcon gained the Falcon Sprint model. The Valiant was given a fastback V8 model (half a year before the Mustang appeared) called the Barracuda. The Buick Special tried its hand at turbocharging. And the Corvair received the uprated Monza coupe and convertible models.

In a bold marketing move to capitalize on this desire for sporty compact cars (gee, we haven't heard that before) Ford took the Falcon platform and gave it a sporty body with coupe, fastback, and convertible versions. The engine was the same 289 that had been used with great success in Ford of England's dominant touring car Falcons. By giving the car a huge marketing push, and a range of options that allowed you to build anything from a stylish economy car (straight six, three speed automatic, stripper interior) to a posh V8 sportster that could blow those Corvair coupes and Barracudas into the weeds. They called it Mustang.

Hmmm, economy car, with style, marketed to young people using performance as the selling point. No, you don't see anything like that today. The Dodge Neon, Mazda Protege, Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Nissan Sentra, and Mini Cooper aren't trying to sell style and performance.

You sir, while I like the fact that you understand people who're trying to race on very tight budgets, have a very rose-colored view of the muscle car era. Just because the cars aren't rear drive midsize coupes with the bigger engines from their full size counterparts and hot names, graphics packages, and spoilers/scoops/sidepipes/mag wheels doesn't make them any less performance machines or any less desirable to the generation they've been built for.

[IAmCman]

heh...points taken. I didn't grow up with muscle cars, nor did I ever take interest in them...I've been around imports my whole life. But thanks for making corrections, I'll be sure to remember all that stuff.