RB vs. SR for drifting

[nissan240sxdude]

Well maybe you don't need someone to install it for you, I was just saying compared to the other engines the installation is cheap. But you never know if you have the right tools to actualy install it. I know I don't and would rather rest it in the hands of a professional. But it all matters on whether the person has the enough time on there hands and the tools.

Oh I got one more question...how long does it take to install the SR20DE-T (S13) into a 240sx any way, just curious.

-nissan240sxdude

[musicsurfman]

Haha A Bit More For A Neo Rb25? You Do Know The Neo Rb25 Puts Out As Much Hp As The Rb26 Right And Is An Extremely Rare Engine.... And Only A Few Hundred Less Than A Rb26.

The Costs Nissan240sxdude Has Listed Are Extremely High.... I Have A Complete Rb20det Swap With Car For $3250 (did The Work Myself).

The Rb25 Isn't All That Much More Expensive Than The Rb20 Anymore. Major Advantage Is The Transmission Is Superior To That Of The Rb20. Rb20 Tranny Can Be Beefed Up With Ka24, Ca18, Or Sr20det Transmission Parts In The Rb20 Though.

Reasons To Buy A Rb20:
More Power Than Sr Off The Bat
As Cheap Or Cheaper Than The Sr
More Potenial (because Of Extra Cylinders)
Can Be Stroked Out To 2.5l (rb26 2.7l Stroker Kit With Custom Pistons)
Can Match Rb25 Base Hp With A Total Cost Less Than Rb25det (9.5 To 1 Pistons, Larger Fuel Injectors, 1 Bar Boost).
Tranny Is Not Weak, And You Have A Massive Amount Of Rebuild Parts (ka24, Sr20, Ca18 Tranny Parts)

[musicsurfman]

Ohh And Your Drifting Question..... Your Asking The Wrong Person, I Don't Drift Because I Feel Its Stupid. But, To Each Its Own! I'm Not Calling Everyone Here Ignorant Or Stupid And I'm Definately Not Trying To Say I'm Smarter Or Better Than Anyone. I Was Just Saying That Everytime Some Makes A Thread Like This, The Stupid People Come Out Of The Woodworks And Start Posting Bullshit That Everyone Has To Sift Through To Get The Real Hard Facts. Most People Are Biased Towards There Engines.... So They Cloud The Topic With Misinformation About The Rivaling Engines. I'm Just Trying To Clear Things Up.

[nissan240sxdude]

First off it depends on what you are doing with the engine, for example the guy who started this thread wanted to make his car drift and you really don't need much more than 350-450 hp.

In addition the engines in the RB series weigh much more than the SR series and weight is a very big factor in drifting if you didn't know it already. But of course you can make the engine more powerful but really you don't need that much. Plus I am not sure the 240sx chassis can handle 500-600 hp for a while or be very reliable any way.

Plus the SR engines are generally easier to find but whatever works for you is fine. It all depends on how much hp and what type of style of racing you want to do. But for the most part people who get a 240sx tend to drift there cars.

-nissan240sxdude

[musicsurfman]

This Is The Type Of Crap I'm Talking About! Your Speaking Out Of Your Ass, It Has Been Determined That The Rb Series Engines Do Not Disturb Weight Distribution, The Rb20 Is Not Much Heavier Than The Ka24 And The Rb25 Is Only 180 Pounds More Than The Ka. There Are At Least 4-5 People That I Know That That Drift Their Rbs And Like I Said One Of Them Owns Both And Prefers The Rb Over The Sr. The Rb20 Has About 4 More Chassis And 2-3 More Years Of Use Than The Sr, So The Sr Being Easier To Find Is Bull! The Rb25 Has Been In Cars Since 1989 (the Earliest I Know Of).

And If All You Want The Motor For Is Drifting, Then I'd Stay With The Ka It Has Plenty Enough Power To Spin Tires.

[nissan240sxdude]

Just to let you know I was talking about weight not weight distribution in my last post. Also in one of my previous posts I said that they all had 50/50 weight balance. Plus you even said it your self that you didn't know much about drifting...I may not know everything but I know what I am talking about for the most part. Ask any drifter...you don't need 500-600 hp to win in drifting. Look at Ueo his AE86 tureno has only 155 hp and he won the D1 competion at Irwindale speed way in August, trust me I was there. Don't dis someone when they make a comment...also the RB engine does weigh more that the SR series engines. I never was bashing about your comments so don't bash about mine. Besides people also need to focus on a little thing called "skill" people for get that when they spend so much time saving up for new parts...any way they are both great engines...each has there own advantages and disadvantages...it just matters what you are going to use them for.

-nissan240sxdude

[Mr7]

Originally Posted by musicsurfman

Any Engine That Can Be Swapped Into A 240 Can Be Drifted. There Is No If, Ands, Or Buts About It!

350

[musicsurfman]

350 , It Has Been Done And I Used To Have A Video Of It.

I'm Not Bashing You, I Just Don't Like Your Biased Comments. Your Saying The Sr Is The Only Way To Go And The Rb Is Sub Par.... Your Also Saying The S13 Chassis Is Too Weak To Handle 600 Hp, Which Is Nothing But A Load Of Crap. This Next Drift Event You'll See Alot Of Rb Powered 240sxs Out There And It'll Change Your Mind.

I Never Said The Rb Weighed Less Than The Sr, I Even Said The Rb Weights More Than The Ka Which Weight More Than The Sr. Like You Said Weight Doesn't Matter, Skill Does.... If You Would Forget About The Best Weight Balance And Practice Your Skills You'd Be Able To Drive Your Car No Matter How Out Of "balance" It Is!

[Mr7]

...controlling a drift with a 350 slinging your ass around....now thats....errr intresting. 350..doesnt weigh...too much...but it's plenty hefty.

[nissan240sxdude]

First off I never said weight doesn't matter I said weight does matter. Check the previous post. Also the 240sx chassis is not recommended to go much over 400 hp. Sure if you want to change the entire chassis go ahead. I am sure it has been done but really I just think it is a waste of time.

Let me put it to you this way...if I were to swap SR20DE-T (S15) engine into a 240sx it would of course produce 250 hp. Then lets say I get a turbo kit, exhaust, air intake, intercooler, bov,and etc. Then put the boost up from the 9 psi to about 16 psi. I would estimate about 400-500 hp. That is plenty to drift.

Now lets take your RB26DE-TT, swap it into a 240sx and it produces 316 hp. Ok now lets do the exact same thing that we did with the other 240sx and see how it comes out. I would estimate 500-600 hp. Ok also factor that the engine is atleast a good 200-250 lbs more then the SR series and there you go.

So lets see here SR engine for cheaper, less installation cost, weighs less at 500 hp then the RB. However if you want more speed then 400-500 hp then go with the RB by all means.

Ok have you ever seen drifting in real life...I have, D1 GP in the US at Irwindale speed way. Ueos Tureno over took the S15 in which the S15 over powered the Tureno by far. Remember it is not all about power, plus I don't know many famous drifters with 600 hp. I would guess 350-450 hp range. But whatever floats your boat remember we are just trying to help LaYzIeNoY here anyway...I hope that is how you spell it.

-nissan240sxdude

[musicsurfman]

There You Go Spewing Crap Again.....

Lets See Rb20det, T3/t4 Large A/r Turbo, 3" Turbo-back Exhaust, 9.5 To 1 Pistons, Fmic, And Up The Boost To 14-16 Psi You Get A Reliable 400+ Hp, Cheaper Than An Sr, Cheaper & Easier To Install, And Weights Roughly 80-90 Pounds More. If You Really Want Low End Torque 2.7l Rb26dett Stroker Kit W/ Custom 9.5 To One Pistons In The Rb20 Block Will Net You Close To 50-60% More Torque.

I'm From Hawaii, I Have Seen Drifting Competitions For The Past 8 Years.... I Just Enjoy Going As Fast As I Can Against Other People.

[nissan240sxdude]

First off it is not easier to install. Second it is not cheaper. Third lets stop argueing because we well never agree. It is like trying to convert a domestic enthusist to like imports or vice versa. Each engine is good in there own way; so stop saying I am bagging on RB engines because I am not, I am just saying you don't need 500-600 hp to drift.

So can you stop saying that I am "spewing crap" info because I have got this info from certain sources and so did you so of course there going to conflict.

For example when you said the Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R had 280 hp and I said it had 316 hp that is because we got it from different sources.
The one that you got was the info Nissan gave to the public because they wanted it to have lower insurance. Mine comes from the dyno sheets at 320 ps or 316 hp. So can we just call it a truce.

-nissan240sxdude

[musicsurfman]

Not Easier To Install..... Dud Just Shut The Fuck Up!

I Can Install A Rb20det Completely And Have It Running In About 5-6 Hours W/ Just 2 People. My Car, Install, And Clip With All Nessecary Parts Cost Mee Ta-da A Whoping $3250.

And That Web Page You Listed Is The Stupidest Thing I Have Ever Seen, He Obviously Doesn't Know Shit. Who Is Saying That You Need 500-600hp To Drift Cause If You Read All My Posts It Never Says That. And The Gtr Engine Is Rated At 280hp (japanese Manufacturer Agreement), It Actually Puts Out 322hp In Most Cases (so Your Figure Is Right).

Nobody Listen To This Guy.... He Is A Complete Idiot And He Is Passing Along False Truths. I Personally Am Up To Three Rb Swaps; Two Sr Swaps; Soon To Do A Ca, Have Two More Rb Motors Sitting In My Exes Garage, And Have Alot More Fun Fun Fun Planned. I Have Been Studying Nissans Since A Little Kid, Got Heavy Into The Racing Scene 6 Years Ago In Hawaii, Got My License And My First 240sx 3 Years Ago, Now I Have Another With A Rb20det Swap (and It All Cost Me Less Than Any Sr Swap, This Was All Done Without Special Treatment).

[JDMDrft]

What a waste of space am I the only one who sees the faq with big red "important" infront of it? if you are such a big drifter then you wouldn't even ask that question

[klohiq]

Originally Posted by musicsurfman

And That Web Page You Listed Is The Stupidest Thing I Have Ever Seen, He Obviously Doesn't Know Shit. Who Is Saying That You Need 500-600hp To Drift Cause If You Read All My Posts It Never Says That. And The Gtr Engine Is Rated At 280hp (japanese Manufacturer Agreement), It Actually Puts Out 322hp In Most Cases (so Your Figure Is Right).

Build a better one and I'll take mine down within the hour that you upload yours...fuck off...the website isn't meant to be used to determine which engine is better than the others...the specs are merely for a vague reference and I do know what I'm talking about...an rb20 will definitely not be easier to install than an sr...If anything at all...it is just as easy, which I highly doubt.

And you obviously don't know shit...in the continental US it is harder to get an RB series engine...I don't give a fuck about production numbers since even though it's been around longer it has been in cars that are purchased less so I'm sure the Silvia alone has all the RB line beat by the SR. Then you have to look at importers...is there a huge demand for an RB26 in the states? No. Is there a high demand for an RB25 or RB of any type for that matter (20, 30...etc...dohc...sohc...single turbo...biturbo)? No. The SR is well liked because it is in all the magazines lately...the KA and CA are just as good, but why aren't they all the rage? The same reason every thing gets big...it's a fad...

If you want to say anything more about me or my website...PM me...it's stupid to be trashing talking about me or nissan240sxdude...why don't you guys IM each other and sort your shit out outside of the forums...I'm suprised brian hasn't banned you yet musicsurfman...but I guess he understands you don't have the capacity to understand things like respect and maturity

And lastly, answer me this...
How is installing an engine that was never in a Silvia, 240sx, 200sx, 180sx, or any of S chassis car easier than an engine that has been used so heavily?