Help me decide...

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by kittedb18bt

you need to do more reading/research. everyone please disregard this person's post.

Yep the B16 would be the slowest .

Originally Posted by Doubletap

I've got the same dilema as Slverbowl and I am thinking about the turbo LS/Vtec as well just turboing the b18. So anyone who has (or had) an LS/Vtec and wants to share your expirence with it wether its turboded or not would be a big help. Spectre you said as long as it is done right... know any of the major things that get overlooked or a site that has a god walkthrough of one?

The main thing that causes problems is that people use the wrong size drill bit to drill the dowel pin hole. It requires a 14mm drill bit but most people use a 9/16" b/c it is close but it allows the head to move around and not get properly aligned. Also people over look the rotating assembly on the LS you need to install a girddle on the main caps to keep everything together. Also people doing a shitty job on the oil line tap etc the list can get longer. Here is a website for you to check out. www.c-speedracing.com/howto/b20vtec/b20vtec.php

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by whtteg

Yep the B16 would be the slowest .




The main thing that causes problems is that people use the wrong size drill bit to drill the dowel pin hole. It requires a 14mm drill bit but most people use a 9/16" b/c it is close but it allows the head to move around and not get properly aligned. Also people over look the rotating assembly on the LS you need to install a girddle on the main caps to keep everything together. Also people doing a shitty job on the oil line tap etc the list can get longer. Here is a website for you to check out. www.c-speedracing.com/howto/b20vtec/b20vtec.php

See, there it is. And from one of the more experienced and knowledgable members just like I said.

[Doubletap]

Whtteg - I saw the post about the dowel adaptors for an LS/VTEC by golden eagle and I believe they also make a conversions kit for the oil supply as well, do you have any expirence with these or know anyone how does. These seem to be a good fix to the two biggest problems you mentioned. Thanks for your help.

DoubleTap

[got v-tec?]

Originally Posted by Spectre927

See, there it is. And from one of the more experienced and knowledgable members just like I said.

you guys are dumb. w/5000dollers you could by a b16 for 2200 and with the extra money you could make it alot faster than a c5. cuz w/5000 you could by a c5 and mabie get an intake for it.

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by got v-tec?

you guys are dumb. w/5000dollers you could by a b16 for 2200 and with the extra money you could make it alot faster than a c5. cuz w/5000 you could by a c5 and mabie get an intake for it.

B18C5 motors are expensive but the B16 is a horible suggestion. The lack of displacement alone is enough to tell you it will be the slowest. You could stroke it but then you would basically have a B18C1. Yea the B16 head flows better but for the extra money you spend stroking the B16 you can get a P&P job on the B18C1 or the B18B1 for that matter. The B16 is a very weak motor, it lacks torque and you have to do alot more to it to make it as fast as the other motors listed. Also $5000 in a B18B1 turbo project and then $5000 in a B16 project, the B18B1 would rape, I mean RAPE the B16 if they are in the same car. Hands down the way to go is the B18B1 or the B18C1.

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by got v-tec?

you guys are dumb. w/5000dollers you could by a b16 for 2200 and with the extra money you could make it alot faster than a c5. cuz w/5000 you could by a c5 and mabie get an intake for it.

Why did you reply to my quote for? Anyways, its always best to use the engine with the most displacement, and seeing as how its an integra which already has a 1.8 he might as well keep his bottom end since its going to have a lot less miles and isnt a whole lot slower than a b16, and maybe have a b16a or b18c head(still a debate on which flows the best) put on. Plus in CA, you get in trouble for using an older engine on street cars (and wheres he going to get a 2001 B16A from, and wouldnt it cost a bit more for the OBD2 version unless he spent like $4-500 for a conversion) but I dont know about Arizona. Anyways like everyone has said, he shouldnt even swap, thatd be a waste.

[Spectre927]

Sorry, I didnt mean to say what you said, when I started no one had replied. I must be slow

[ny_ls_turbo]

Boost It Or Buy A B18c5 ,jdm Type R

[slvrbowl5]

All the info has been great. That link to the vtec swap was very informative.

I think I'm going to go for the frankenstein. Maybe even upgrade some internals while I'm at it. That is where I'm gonna start. I'm sure that will keep me happy for a little while. At least until I get the itch to turbo it.

Someone suggest something besides ebay for getting the parts.

Thanks

[Spectre927]

thepartstraderonline is decent. People can be stingy though and you have to be even more careful in dealing with these people because its a lot easier to get ripped off. And if you get find a hot deal, chances are.. it is hot.

[Brio7]

with 5 grand you would be able to build up a real nice N/A setup ofcourse turbo will be the fastest though.

[whtteg]

Try to find a local board inyour area for imports and post a want to buy list there. Like here we have vtecatlanta.com and people buy and sell stuff there all the time and you can just meet the person and pick it up. It is the safest way, but www.thepartstrader.com is a goodplace but liek spectre said be careful people can rip you off. Use paypal and hope for the best, don't ever send a money order or a check.

[ny_ls_turbo]

you should boost it cuz those motors LOVE BOOST, on stock internals they can handle 13 lbs of boost, and with hondata and a very unrestrictive exhaust you shood b runnin 12's if not better.

[Doubletap]

Originally Posted by ny_ls_turbo

you should boost it cuz those motors LOVE BOOST, on stock internals they can handle 13 lbs of boost, and with hondata and a very unrestrictive exhaust you shood b runnin 12's if not better.

ny_ls - Just curious, where did you hear 13psi? The most I have ever heard being recomended is 12psi at the maximum and more like 10psi for daily driving. On a B18B that is.

The folks who know - So the LS/Vtec sounds like a good way to go for me as well. Well i have a few questions about the specs on a properly assembled LS/Vtec with stock internals. Does it get the GSR redline at like 7800 ar the LS redline at about 6800? Do you know how well they work with a turbo? I assume they can still take the 10-12psi as the LS becuase that is more of a factor of how strong the block is and not the head (right?). Anyody know what a "stock" LS/Vtec puses at the wheels (or at the flywheel). Thats all I can think of for right now but I will probably think of some more. I'll try to read the forums before I make and extraneous posts though.

DoubleTap

[Jetts]

i would go ls turbo screw the vtec
if you look at the pro. turbo drag honda's they arnt vtec for a reason