Stock airbox IS a cold air intake CAI

[Miataracer]

you should notice more top end.... the faster you go the more air is being crammed into the area around the filter, so more ends up going into the filter... etc.

[kicker1_solo]

Originally Posted by Miataracer

you should notice more top end.... the faster you go the more air is being crammed into the area around the filter, so more ends up going into the filter... etc.

yeah, I put 2 and 2 together.

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

You are such a fool. The comptech intake removes the resonator and induction takes place where the resonator resides hence cold air seeing as it sucks air cool air from outside the engine bay. If you read my post I clearly stated that the induction point of an OEM intake is in the engine bay meaning hot air NOT cold.

WTF? Yes, the induction point of the OEM is inside the engine bay... but from WITHIN an airbox which aspirates from near the wheel. Did you not look at the OEM stuff you pulled out?

The reason for my so called hostility is because of how technical you try to come off when you clearly state......

Whatever. That's you're own complex. Reread my post 1: "Here's the conclusion I've come to... and please comment." I never assumed I knew what I was talking about. I don't use forums as a soapbox, I use em as a DISCUSSION MEDIUM.

Do you actually think that major companies such as AEM, Injen, Iceman, etc. would spend so much on re-inventing a simple OEM concept?

No. And if this is what you thought I was saying, then you didn't get this thread at all.

So here's my motive behind the post: since I live where it rains, I don't want sogged CAI or a bypass valve. CAI's that sit fairly high in the engine bay seem not to be taking advantage of the colder air at the wheel. So it looks like the ice box systems are the ones to buy. But, since even these systems don't have the massive filters, it seems like there's still room to grow.

If I wanted to blindly be told what intake to buy, I would have read the FAQ.

[94tegRS]

wouldnt it also be not just cuz youre throwing more air at the filter, but also the higher you rev the more air the engine needs and at low rpms the stock systm flows enopugh to take care of its needs but when you need tons of air the less restrictive denser air helps out alot.

[Miataracer]

Originally Posted by chimchim

If I wanted to blindly be told what intake to buy, I would have read the FAQ.

there is NOTHING WRONG with reading the FAQ buddy...I highly reccomend it. but all in all, the point here is to get/give advice and learn, so if this is helping you then thats great

why get upset over online conversations though?

[94tegRS]

Originally Posted by chimchim

WTF? Yes, the induction point of the OEM is inside the engine bay... but from WITHIN an airbox which aspirates from near the wheel. Did you not look at the OEM stuff you pulled out?

who cares where the box sits, where does the air come in at?

Originally Posted by chimchim

So here's my motive behind the post: since I live where it rains, I don't want sogged CAI or a bypass valve. CAI's that sit fairly high in the engine bay seem not to be taking advantage of the colder air at the wheel. So it looks like the ice box systems are the ones to buy. But, since even these systems don't have the massive filters, it seems like there's still room to grow.

also if the intake sits up in the bay and doesnt take advantage of the colder air its probably cuz it isnt a CAI, its a short ram intake.

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by Miataracer

there is NOTHING WRONG with reading the FAQ buddy...I highly reccomend it. but all in all, the point here is to get/give advice and learn, so if this is helping you then thats great

Thankyou. That's exactly my point. I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with the FAQ. I read it and found it helpful. My point to B16 was that I wrote the thread to discuss, otherwise I would have stuck to being a lurker and just reading FAQs and past threads. I never made the (name calling) Nutty Professor claims he's accusing me of.

why get upset over online conversations though?

I hope this is in referrence to Mr. B16.

[Miataracer]

it was not a specific referrence at all really... I just don't really understand why people get so fired up sometimes

[B16EJ1]

You still can't grasp the concept yet others do. " Discussion Medium " you say? There is no discussion. There's what you " think " and what I posted which is right. As 94tegRS said, the box placement has or air path has nothing to do with it being a CAI or SR. The determining factor is what type of air is initially sucked into the intake and on an OEM intake, one end of the pipe is on the TB and the other is right behind the radiator which means it breathes engine bay air. The box placement or filter has absolutely nothing to do with it being a CAI or SR. I don't understand why you keep argueing the fact.

[eckoman_pdx]

Oh geez... Ican't belive anyone actually posted that crap. First of all, you say this is a disscussion medium. True, but this is no disscussionor debate. This is plain and simple fact. Period. The stock crap is not a CAI. You don't gain hardly any power, less than 1 hp, with the drop in K & N filter in the stock box. Don't belive me? Go read a dyno chart. NOw read a dyno chart for the same car with a CAI. Usually around 5hp. Now...hmmm....this all can't be cuz it flows better....hmm....thats part but gee...maybe it's the fact that the induction is cold air, not hot engine compartent air. A disscussion is something like "is all-motor or forced induction better." Not this crap. The restrictive stock air box is not a CAI. A CAI will gain apporx 5hp......you get a 1%hp increase for every 11.1 degree's you lower the intake temp..now...if your underhood temp is 110 and ambient outside is 60...thats a 4.5% gain...about 5hp on your average honda motor...now...if your motor starts is a 4.0 liter big block with 300hp...that same 5% is 15HP. Either way, 5% is not usless. I/H/E is not ment to replace a built all-motor or Forced Induction vehicle, it's ment to improve performance on the street. Thats exactly what they do. But to say the stock air box is a CAI is plain ludicrious and insulting to all the true gear-heads in here, not to mention ignorent. If you need more expain, I think the people above explained it nicely. As why are some people hostile? Because you claimed the stock air box was a CAI, which it is not....and you implied a CAI system is only for bling as a result..again...wrong..so got take your car, with the drop in K & N and cut air-box....and dyno it...they throw on a AEM CAI and dyno it....you'll see what we mean. The numbers don't lie.

[B16EJ1]

Thank you!!!!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

Thank you!!!!

No Problem, your welcome.