Questions for the knowledgable: Type R Integra

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

Do what you want. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you plan to do. I say go right ahead with your so called plans. You have obviously displayed that you lack many skills and knowledge to even accomplish your dreams and yes I mean dreams cause that's the closest you'll ever get to it. Even if you do get there I guarantee that it won't last long enough for you to even post about it. I never said it was Gods chariot either. How does " a fine automobile " translate to "God's chariot" ? Who's flaiming now n00b? I'm done with you two. Try to teach some young amateur's something new and they walk all over you.

AND who designated YOU the "old professional"? Who gave you the "I know Hondas better so I can call you an amateur" diploma?

I have been dealing with Hondas since 1992, and I have MANY things I have yet to learn about them. I have never called anybody else an amateur, because until the day I work as a Honda tech, I AM an amateur. So, unless you ARE a Honda technician, or engineer, refrain from those comments.

As for the original question, I'll answer the six-speed portion of it.

This company, http://www.wholehyper.com/engine/rsx-mounts.html, sells custom bolt-on mounts (no cutting, or welding) for you to fit a DC5 (Acura RSX/Honda Integra) six-speed K20 motor into a DC2 (Acura/Honda Integra) chassis.

I don't know about you, but my friend's shop, which specializes in Hondas, can procure a JDM K20 for about 5,000 US dollars (sorry, don't know conversion rates), which is only about 500 US dollars more than what he can get a B18C5 for. Considering you are a lot closer to Japan, and the fact that you have a bigger JDM market there than we in the US have, I would think you'd find it cheaper.

The advantages of the K20 are:
-- bigger displacement
-- more TQ
-- more flexibility in tuning (the "i" in i-VTEC; i.e., bigger gains per mod)
-- same over-all weight as a B16
-- six-speed, for closer-spaced gears for optimum usage of the VTEC-band
-- exclusivity

The only major disadvantage a K20 has against a B18 is the fact that the K20 has less aftermarket support at the present, and less time for tuning experience from shops. Hytech Motorsports have already gotten 320WHP from an N/A K20, so it's getting up there.

I know all these things because I am seriously contemplating a project such as this, when I'm done with my SR20DET project into my B13 SE-R. One turbo, one N/A.

[B16EJ1]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

AND who designated YOU the "old professional"? Who gave you the "I know Hondas better so I can call you an amateur" diploma?

I have been dealing with Hondas since 1992, and I have MANY things I have yet to learn about them. I have never called anybody else an amateur, because until the day I work as a Honda tech, I AM an amateur. So, unless you ARE a Honda technician, or engineer, refrain from those comments.

As for the original question, I'll answer the six-speed portion of it.

This company, http://www.wholehyper.com/engine/rsx-mounts.html, sells custom bolt-on mounts (no cutting, or welding) for you to fit a DC5 (Acura RSX/Honda Integra) six-speed K20 motor into a DC2 (Acura/Honda Integra) chassis.

I don't know about you, but my friend's shop, which specializes in Hondas, can procure a JDM K20 for about 5,000 US dollars (sorry, don't know conversion rates), which is only about 500 US dollars more than what he can get a B18C5 for. Considering you are a lot closer to Japan, and the fact that you have a bigger JDM market there than we in the US have, I would think you'd find it cheaper.

The advantages of the K20 are:
-- bigger displacement
-- more TQ
-- more flexibility in tuning (the "i" in i-VTEC; i.e., bigger gains per mod)
-- same over-all weight as a B16
-- six-speed, for closer-spaced gears for optimum usage of the VTEC-band
-- exclusivity

The only major disadvantage a K20 has against a B18 is the fact that the K20 has less aftermarket support at the present, and less time for tuning experience from shops. Hytech Motorsports have already gotten 320WHP from an N/A K20, so it's getting up there.

I know all these things because I am seriously contemplating a project such as this, when I'm done with my SR20DET project into my B13 SE-R. One turbo, one N/A.

Even a moderator is of no help here. I've posted answers and you've posted K20 swaps in a Type R. So to you a Honda tech is some a pro? Pathetic I swear. Most of my boys are Honda tech's here in WA and believe me Honda techs know didly but go ahead and bow down the next time you see one. I brought answers and you come in picking my posts apart. Thanks for not helping anyone here.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

Even a moderator is of no help here. I've posted answers and you've posted K20 swaps in a Type R. So to you a Honda tech is some a pro? Pathetic I swear. Most of my boys are Honda tech's here in WA and believe me Honda techs know didly but go ahead and bow down the next time you see one. I brought answers and you come in picking my posts apart. Thanks for not helping anyone here.

I posted a possible avenue he can go for his search for the car that's right for him.

He obviously likes DC2s, and he's looking for a six-speed. Have you seen anybody else address that part of issue? Why am I going to go over what everybody else has addressed already?

Did I specifically mention a swap into a Type R? ANY DC2 chassis can do...if he can find a '94 cheap, and spend the extra for the swap I mentioned, he'll have a FASTER car than an ITR, stock-motor to stock-motor.

So. Are you claiming that you now know more than a Honda technician does? You might know about little tricks that Honda as a company might not recommend (techs go by the book, of course, at least on customer cars), but HIGHLY doubt you know more than them. The fact that you know a few who don't know "what you know" doesn't mean anything. The fact that there's an asshole in here by the name of B16EJ1 doesn't mean that everyone that has "B16" on their screenname is an arrogant prick, right?

You still haven't answered my question. Who gave you the right to call anybody in here "amateur"? Who gave you the right to call anybody a n00b? You joined this year n00b.

My sign-on date might say 2002, but I came here when the original PureHonda merged with AF. I was with the original PureHonda starting from Dec 2000, and I've NEVER called anybody a newbie in derision like you have. Just shows how much of a prick you are.

Keep this up, I'll ban you on principle, so you can sign back up as a brand-new member with 0 posts...and we'll see how much of a n00b everybody else is. Don't even think that administration won't back me up, as much as a lesson as you need in humility.

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

"When it comes to a normally aspirated 1.6-liter DOHC engine, no engine in the world can surpass the B16A." " The ecstacy at the sound of the engine revving up rapidly to the redzone. I'd die for it."

You'd die for B16? Not to knock on the B16, but as far as 1.6 liter DOHC 4 cylinder motors go, it's got plenty of room for improvement.

Honda B16 (JDM)
170hp @ 6800rpm
114tq @ 5200rpm

Nissan SR16VE-N1 (JDM)
200hp @ 7800rpm
147tq @ 7400rpm

Pretty neat little motor...

[B16EJ1]

Originally Posted by RedNeck383

You'd die for B16? Not to knock on the B16, but as far as 1.6 liter DOHC 4 cylinder motors go, it's got plenty of room for improvement.

Honda B16 (JDM)
170hp @ 6800rpm
114tq @ 5200rpm

Nissan SR16VE-N1 (JDM)
200hp @ 7800rpm
147tq @ 7400rpm

Pretty neat little motor...

It's a movie quote fool.

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

It's a movie quote fool.

Looks to me like you're saying it... cause you didn't give a movie credit to the quote...

Fool.

[B16EJ1]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I posted a possible avenue he can go for his search for the car that's right for him.

He obviously likes DC2s, and he's looking for a six-speed. Have you seen anybody else address that part of issue? Why am I going to go over what everybody else has addressed already?

Did I specifically mention a swap into a Type R? ANY DC2 chassis can do...if he can find a '94 cheap, and spend the extra for the swap I mentioned, he'll have a FASTER car than an ITR, stock-motor to stock-motor.

So. Are you claiming that you now know more than a Honda technician does? You might know about little tricks that Honda as a company might not recommend (techs go by the book, of course, at least on customer cars), but HIGHLY doubt you know more than them. The fact that you know a few who don't know "what you know" doesn't mean anything. The fact that there's an asshole in here by the name of B16EJ1 doesn't mean that everyone that has "B16" on their screenname is an arrogant prick, right?

You still haven't answered my question. Who gave you the right to call anybody in here "amateur"? Who gave you the right to call anybody a n00b? You joined this year n00b.

My sign-on date might say 2002, but I came here when the original PureHonda merged with AF. I was with the original PureHonda starting from Dec 2000, and I've NEVER called anybody a newbie in derision like you have. Just shows how much of a prick you are.

Keep this up, I'll ban you on principle, so you can sign back up as a brand-new member with 0 posts...and we'll see how much of a n00b everybody else is. Don't even think that administration won't back me up, as much as a lesson as you need in humility.

I would'nt trust any Honda tech on my car and if you put your faith in a person just because he's a " Honda tech " then I'd say you're the fool. Do you even know how little it takes to become a certified Honda technician? The reason I called him a n00b is not on posts alone. The fact that he can try to help with absolutely no facts on the original arguements is unbelievable. Going off of hear-say??? Oh and you threatening to ban me for using the worn "noob" in such a demeaning manner? I've seen much worse things going on in here than that and I'm getting banned for the word "noob". The real reason you want to ban me is because I constantly call your BS and we always get into an arguement. So I'm punctual. Facts/information still come of my posts and I know many members here will vouch for that. Do what you want. I tell you one thing. The fact that things like this idle threat happen here is enough to make me not want to come back. Do as you wish.

[ac427cpe]

I would'nt trust any Honda tech on my car and if you put your faith in a person just because he's a " Honda tech " then I'd say you're the fool. Do you even know how little it takes to become a certified Honda technician? The reason I called him a n00b is not on posts alone. The fact that he can try to help with absolutely no facts on the original arguements is unbelievable. Going off of hear-say??? Oh and you threatening to ban me for using the worn "noob" in such a demeaning manner? I've seen much worse things going on in here than that and I'm getting banned for the word "noob". The real reason you want to ban me is because I constantly call your BS and we always get into an arguement. So I'm punctual. Facts/information still come of my posts and I know many members here will vouch for that. Do what you want. I tell you one thing. The fact that things like this idle threat happen here is enough to make me not want to come back. Do as you wish.

i don't think he brought up the bannage subject do to word use, but due to attitude... but as far as that quote goes, just by these last few of your posts, you remind me a lot of the driver of that little red civic who said it. (that's not necessarily a good thing)

[Moppie]

HyperS please ignore some of the crap you have seen in this thread, the member responsible is being delt with.


Now to answer your questions, as a fellow Kiwi I hope I can offer some some rational ones that make sense.




1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?


A front engine rear wheel drive car has a long drive shaft that runs the lenght of the car, being that it runs at high speeds it needs to be well balanced. The damber helps with the balancing, and also reducing any vibration.
A fwd car has only two short axles that due to thier smaller size and weight suffer less from vibration. However all the B series power honda have equal length drive shafts that are fitted with dampers, which also help balance the weight of each drive shaft to prevent torque steer. On a type R it is not something you need to worry about.


2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these. Either because I currently own a 5000 RPM at 90kmh 1.5L civic right now, which makes be fixated with being able to gain high speed with low revs, or I like the idea that I can travel at around 250kmh while running away from the police. Either way, I REALLY WANT ONE. I've also heard that 5th gear is kind of short on the type R and semi-long highway journeys can be a nightmare. Does anyone know which model the switch was made from 5 speed to 6? 99, 00, 01. There's a big difference in price and if it's too much, how much would I reasonable be looking to pay to get one installed on a 5 speeder?

Its not a feasible swap, certianly not here in NZ. As has already been pointed out there are aftermarket boxs avliable, but your looking at well over $10,000 plus, and a limited life span as they are ment for racing only.
An engine and g/box swap from a later integra is possible, but again your looking at close to $10,000.

But the main reason its not worth is it the final drive is still little differnt from the final drive in the 5sp, it just that in the 6sp all the gears inbetween are closer together, so you would still cruise at about 3,000rpm at 100kph.


3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

For a type R? anywhere from $10-25,000 depending on year and condition. Clearly a very early high millage car is worth a lot less than a later low millage one.

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs. Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

[b]Agian its a cost vs gain thing. Any kit will have to be imported from the US or Japan, and after $ conversion rates it starts to get very expensive. Also the added performance is a waste of time, unless you really really want to get in amature drag racing every friday night at meremere (or where ever the local strip is). There is more involved than just simply bolting one on as well. A simple install running low boost might set you back $5-6,000 a proper install with suitable reinfoced engine internals will cost $10,000 easily.


5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

[b]As stated before there is absolutly no need to unless you change cams or similar work. And even then your better off with proper tweaked ECU. Basicly that are a complete waste of time and money.

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

[b]Well you could fit a complete interior from a VTi-R, but then you would be better of simply buying a VTi-R to begin with, as adding weight completely defies the purpose of having a Type R.
Its intentended as a weekend race car than you can also drive to work during the week.


And yes when compared to your old 1.5l civic any Integra is a better car, being a 1.5l your old Civic is clearly an import, and a very low spec one at that, having a driven a few I can tell you that are not postive mark in the cars history.

However it sounds like a Tpye R is not really what you need, it is an enthusists car, you unless you have a sudden revelation you may find yourself disapointed.
A far better choice if you really like the Integra is a GSR/VTiR/G similar performance to the Type R from your perspective, but with all the creature comforts. Thier also cheaper, and come a much wider variety of models and trim levels.

[Miataracer]

I really hope you aren't banning B16EJ1 over THIS... in my honest opinion that is rediculous.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

I would'nt trust any Honda tech on my car and if you put your faith in a person just because he's a " Honda tech " then I'd say you're the fool. Do you even know how little it takes to become a certified Honda technician? The reason I called him a n00b is not on posts alone. The fact that he can try to help with absolutely no facts on the original arguements is unbelievable. Going off of hear-say??? Oh and you threatening to ban me for using the worn "noob" in such a demeaning manner? I've seen much worse things going on in here than that and I'm getting banned for the word "noob". The real reason you want to ban me is because I constantly call your BS and we always get into an arguement. So I'm punctual. Facts/information still come of my posts and I know many members here will vouch for that. Do what you want. I tell you one thing. The fact that things like this idle threat happen here is enough to make me not want to come back. Do as you wish.

Call my BS? You mean this?: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ghlight=b16ej1

Because I defended another member that you were more than happy to be a prick to, because you didn't believe him in a situation that was within the realm of possibility?

Because I tried to point that out to you? And you're so hardheaded, and so stuck on yourself that you wouldn't even consider the possibilities?

If I ban you, it's not for saying n00b, its for not realizing that this is a community, and no matter how right you feel you are, that is NO excuse to be a prick. Lord only knows how many potentially-productive "n00bs" you have chased away by your arrogance.

I'll ban you to teach you a lesson in humility. So you realize, no matter what you know about anything, you have no right to talk-down to people in your very first reply to them.

Basically, I'm calling you an arrogant, pompous prick...

BTW, I don't care how many members will vouch for your knowledge of Hondas, I know of many members that'll vouch for my assessment of you.

So? Will you leave it at that, or will your enormous ego bring you into this deeper? Will you refute my assessment of your attutude, or will I have to start linking threads where you prove my point, time-and-again? I mean, I don't even really have to bother, since you say you're not coming back...but if you want me to...

[B16EJ1]

That's just your assesment of me. Like I said. Do what you want. You and I know the real reason why you're doing this. I could really care less. Tell you what. Post a bunch of esp's posts knocking noobs and ricochet's also. I call people noobs on their actual dumb posts not their post count but I don't have to explain myself to you. Let the people read this post and research what I'm saying. Ban me if you want but just leave this post so people can see how much BS this is and how what I'm saying is true.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

That's just your assesment of me. Like I said. Do what you want. You and I know the real reason why you're doing this. I could really care less. Tell you what. Post a bunch of esp's posts knocking noobs and ricochet's also. I call people noobs on their actual dumb posts not their post count but I don't have to explain myself to you. Let the people read this post and research what I'm saying. Ban me if you want but just leave this post so people can see how much BS this is and how what I'm saying is true.

esp's been here since 2001, though that is no excuse for bad behavior, there is a reason why he's lasted this long.

Ricochet, I've dealt with before: as seen here: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...light=Ricochet

He took what I said a lot better the you would've. Here's another one: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=143941

He's certainly had his moments...but his ego isn't as big as yours where he can't see where he messed-up, it seems.

And what kind of third-grade crap is that? {whine}"Well, they were doing it too, teacher!"{/whine}

I'm pretty positive, as huge as AF is, there are a lot of worse offenders than you. It just so happens you have the unfortunate luck of hanging out in in some similar forums that I visit. Heck, I've seen that same attitude in other mods...and I've called them out too. Ask moppie.

[Ricochet]

There should be a statute of limitations with online posts

[esp]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

esp's been here since 2001, though that is no excuse for bad behavior, there is a reason why he's lasted this long.

bad behavior huh?

what is the reason i have lasted this long?