Does anyone actually own an STI????

[marcus_gonzalez]

I won't argue with the vishnu stage for the EVO, there are tuners out there that can do a lot with factory cars, i.e. ligenfelter with the corvette, renntech with the mercedes, cobb with subaru so on and so on, but IF you're not into tuning and want to buy a car stock straight from the factory with good performance and handling the STI is definitely worth a look.

[RockinWRX]

Originally posted by marcus_gonzalez
I won't argue with the vishnu stage for the EVO, there are tuners out there that can do a lot with factory cars, i.e. ligenfelter with the corvette, renntech with the mercedes, cobb with subaru so on and so on, but IF you're not into tuning and want to buy a car stock straight from the factory with good performance and handling the STI is definitely worth a look.

Yes , maybe , but again , the Evo outhandles the STi. The STi is more "comfortable" riding , which is not what I look for in a peformance car. The Evo is a bit stiffer , and is a lot more stable in its attitude while cornering. It always beats the STi on the slalom tests in the mags I've read. The STi has too many minor issues , while the Evo has proven performance right out of the box. I'll spend the extra money for that ..........

[marcus_gonzalez]

Yes all the magazines have rated the Mitsubishi faster through the salom. I've read all the articles and more. however unless somebody is planning on doing some serious track work against someone of their own calibur they'll never see nor feel the "pitfalls" of the sti versus the evo. Last night I ran the STI through some 20mph back road curves at 50mph on wet roads after it rained, handling is more then good enough for what I want it for. As far as stiffness, it's plenty stiff, I spent 10 hours driving it from state to state through highways and backroads to get it home, the passenger kept complaining to switch lanes to find the smoother of the lanes because it suspension is as stiff as it is.

[krb]

I have a 04 wrx sti. 3000 miles on it so far. No problems. Yep some of the sti were pinging and reflashing but if you go to the evo forums so were they. Like all the magazines have said it come down to what you like to drive. There it always that they came back to the sti as a daily driver.They are importing less sti's than evo's. Who knows how resale will be. The last true rally car massed produced in large numbers was mg metro gp3 that I remember. Yes there was the rs-200 but only in limited numbers. Then the big change to 2.0. In other words the cars were way to fast for the road rally and were crashing and killing people including spectators. (for what it worth).There's so much over seas that we can't get and never will as far as cars . EPA

[freakray]

Originally Posted by krb

The last true rally car massed produced in large numbers was mg metro gp3 that I remember. Yes there was the rs-200 but only in limited numbers. Then the big change to 2.0. In other words the cars were way to fast for the road rally and were crashing and killing people including spectators. (for what it worth).There's so much over seas that we can't get and never will as far as cars . EPA

The Escort RS Cosworth, Sierra RS Cosworth and Lancia Delta Evo were all rally cars that were mass produced in Europe, not to mention the Lancia 037 and Lancia Stratos Stradale which were produced in lesser numbers, all great cars too

Most of the more recent rally cars that have made it to the streets were more in keeping within the homologation rules than they were in meeting consumer demand.

[kfoote]

I picked up my STi about 3 weeks ago. I can't really say what it will do yet as I'm still in the break in period.

The STi is a better sarting point than the EVO VIII. Granted, for $32k, a EVO VIII will be quicker than a STi. For $35k, it goes back the other way. There is a lot more room left for mods in an STi than there is in the EVO. From what I can tell from the handling, no one who test drove an STi had figured out that the car handles better stock when the DCCD is in manual mode. Also, a slalom or autocross is A LOT different than a road course for determining handling. SCCA has made the EVO legal for competition in T2 in 2004, but the STi has too much potential for the class. That should say something.

For that matter, you could make a lot of cars for $32k better than an STi. My personal favorite would be an early Miata with a 20B rotary in it turboed, which you could probably do for about $25k.

[Viking067]

Ive got an Sti MY02.No problems so far considered im driving in very cold conditions.

[ragnarok720]

LoL! I'm pushing 300hp with my 02 WRX and i beat evo 8's all day long at the track in Famoso, Ca. Downside to Evo's is they still use cast iron blocks and their turbo setup is shoty at best. They run 19psi in low rpm's and 13 at higher, the STi runs 14.5psi till redline and puts out 300hp, STi wins. The Evo may handle better because of better computer control surfaces but the STi sticks to its roots, rally racing. Unlike the evo, if you want to drift, the STi makes it quite a bit easier.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by ragnarok720

LoL! I'm pushing 300hp with my 02 WRX and i beat evo 8's all day long at the track in Famoso, Ca. Downside to Evo's is they still use cast iron blocks and their turbo setup is shoty at best. They run 19psi in low rpm's and 13 at higher, the STi runs 14.5psi till redline and puts out 300hp, STi wins. The Evo may handle better because of better computer control surfaces but the STi sticks to its roots, rally racing. Unlike the evo, if you want to drift, the STi makes it quite a bit easier.

Actually, a stock EVO will build from about 12 psi at low RPM to about 19 psi at 4000 RPM, then taper to about 16 psi at redline.

Cast iron blocks are better for making big power.

There are no "computer controls" for the EVO's handling.

What do you mean by "stick to its roots"?

And who in the hell would buy EITHER of these cars to drift?

[ragnarok720]

Aluminum blocks are better for making power as long as they stay relativley cool. Plenty of large companies use these cars for drifting, AWD cars a great for it ie. 34gt-r skyline and as for the evo, yes, it does use computer aided control ie a TCS system also like a skyline.

[MB38]

It's true, I've seen many an AWD car drift. With regards to Skylines drifting, however, they disable most of the reasons the car handle's so well to do so (in low-speed drifting competitions). In high-speed drifting competitions, the sheer power and speed of the cars is enough to make them [skylines] drift.

There are many different kinds of drifting competitions; different cars are suited to different kinds. That's why you see a lot of Silvias, Supras and RX-7s in low speed events, and more EVOs and Skylines (as well as the other cars) in high speed events.

And there is no difference between an aluminum or iron block as far as "making power" goes. You can generally make more power with a cast-iron block (I.E. 2JZGTE and RB26DETT) simply because they can withstand the pressure [both boost and compression] without rupture. The surface of the blocks themselves have nothing to do with the power, it's simply the strength and ability to manage heat. Aluminum blocks are not better for making power if they stay cool; they'd be the same as a cast iron block keeping the same temperature and pressure. I hope that was clear enough.

As said, the EVO has no computer controlled handling system or power delivery system. There's a cable from the pedal to the throttle, and the only things in the way of the power to the ground are the differentials.

[LjasonL]

I've drifted my own car, I didn't say it wasn't possible. I said you're crazy to buy a brand new $30,000 car that's not very good at it anyways to do it. Big companies with unlimited budgets are a different story.

Block strength is what I was getting at when I said cast blocks are usually better at making big power.

And the EVO 7 has AYC and other computer enhancements for the handling. The EVO 8 doesn't.

[MB38]

Ah, thanks Idel, I was referring to the EVO 8.

[ghetto7o2azn]

AWD cars are not good for drifting...when people say they do, its more of a "power slide" than a drift... if u want to drift, buy a s13, s14, s15, gts-t etc.. drift cars are mainly RWD... one reason cars are AWD is so they dont drift because drifting is NOT the fastest way to get arround a corner which most of you probably know...

and i agree with MB38 about the iron block... they can with stand more preasure... notice that such cars as the Celica gt4 and mr2 have the 3sgte moter which is a 2.0L iron block engine but can still put out just over 700 hp w/ the right mods but they almost never use the latests celica gt-s aluminum engine for racing...

as far as the Sti's and Lancers, The Sti to me looks like a car that they had a base design for and then just added a hole bunch of crap to it like the hood scoop and large spoiler...looks ugly to me... the lancer looks "cleaner" to me... for speed... The sti is faster but not that much faster.. i think it was 0.1 seconds faster than the lancer at both 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile, but having driven both the Lancer has much better quality like most magazines say... sometimes you can tell at first just by opening and closing the door and how it feels.

[ragnarok720]

Actually, the STi is significantly faster. Few months ago at the track, several STi's and Evo 8's were there and the STI's on average were running 13.6's as opposed to the Evo's running 14.4's all night. The times in magazines almost never will be achieved by any driver you will ever see or know unless they have been driving, specifically drag racing, for many many many years and even then, still wont be able to match the times of a professional car test driver. I dont like the stubby nose of the Lancers, the STi's have a bit longer front end which gives it the appearence that it may have a much larger engine than it actually does. The hood scoop adds a nice touch as weel though i do prefer the STi scoop of the bug eye models better, taller but dont push forward. I do have to say though, Evo's do have pretty nice interiors.