Rumsfeld threatens Belgium

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by taranaki

If your leaders are too chicken,too yellow, or too cowardly to face an international court and account for their actions.........Maybe there is some truth in the allegations.Maybe American troops are responsible for war crimes.Threatening people is not going to change their perspective.If your wars are squeaky clean,step up to the plate and put your money where your propaganda is.

And Belgium is far,far,far, more neutral on Iraq than America can ever hope to be.Idoubt if George understands the concept of neutrality,and Idoubt if he'd know where to look for a definition.

Thats wrong in so many ways. #1 Belgium is not an international court which is the only place those charges are leveled. #2 An international court would trump our constitution which will not be tolerated here. #3 Belgium was with France and Germany actively opposing the use of force in Iraq. You have a strange way of determining neutral.

[taranaki]

No my friend,you have a problem with your perspective.Pro-invasion countries actively supported America in the conflict.Pro Iqaqi nations actively supported Saddam in the conflict.The remaining civilised countries that opposed armed conflict remained neutral.Just because we were not with you doesn't mean we were against you.That's just anoth piece of bullshit propaganda fronm your corrupt and dishonest president.

Your idea that your constitution is more worthy than international law is frankly laughable.The very fact that you are prepared to invade other countries with no regard for their laws,customs and culture shoews just how valueless your 'morals' are.I ask again,why should the U.S not stand up and refute the allegations?Are you frightened of the truth?

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by taranaki
No my friend,you have a problem with your perspective.Pro-invasion countries actively supported America in the conflict.Pro Iqaqi nations actively supported Saddam in the conflict.The remaining civilised countries that opposed armed conflict remained neutral.Just because we were not with you doesn't mean we were against you.That's just anoth piece of bullshit propaganda fronm your corrupt and dishonest president.

Your idea that your constitution is more worthy than international law is frankly laughable.The very fact that you are prepared to invade other countries with no regard for their laws,customs and culture shoews just how valueless your 'morals' are.I ask again,why should the U.S not stand up and refute the allegations?Are you frightened of the truth?

The only bullshit is calling Belgium neutral. Did they actively support Saddam - no they did not. That does not mean they remain neutral. They opposed the US position. Thats not neutral. You seem to see the world in only three states. There are many shades of grey in there.

My president is who I want it to be and want reelected next year. Your opinion is noted and filed where it belongs.

Our constitution is worth more then any international agreement. Thats the way it is and should be. I pity you for wanting to subvert to will of people who are not in your country.

I say the US (and by that I mean the people the Belgium courts allowed a suit against) has no need to waste time on. Your logic is the same as saying you should let the police wander around your home asking questions and taking up your time simply because you have "nothing to hide".

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


The only bullshit is calling Belgium neutral. Did they actively support Saddam - no they did not. That does not mean they remain neutral. They opposed the US position. Thats not neutral. You seem to see the world in only three states. There are many shades of grey in there.

My president is who I want it to be and want reelected next year. Your opinion is noted and filed where it belongs.

Our constitution is worth more then any international agreement. Thats the way it is and should be. I pity you for wanting to subvert to will of people who are not in your country.

I say the US (and by that I mean the people the Belgium courts allowed a suit against) has no need to waste time on. Your logic is the same as saying you should let the police wander around your home asking questions and taking up your time simply because you have "nothing to hide".

The US constitution is sooooo Vague that they reinterpret it everytime some one challenges a Law in the Supreme Court.

If the US constitution is greater than international Law then everyone else's respective constitutions are the same and thus everyone can in invade anyone with complete disregard for one another

[gigatron]

I love your signature yogs You know the entire world should rise up and oppose the US that way the world would be a better place for a while again..

You admit you don't care for others except yourself over and over again its a wonderful principle...

[taranaki]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


The only bullshit is calling Belgium neutral. Did they actively support Saddam - no they did not. That does not mean they remain neutral. They opposed the US position. Thats not neutral.

You are incredibly conceited about the U.S.' place in the world,Yogs. There is a massive body of countries that do not believe that the invasion of Iraq was either justified or ethical.Just because George Bush has the technical capability to do as he pleases,doesn't mean that he should,or that he is right.Simply opposing the plans of another nation intent on starting an immoral and self-serving war does not make you an ally of Satan.


Where the hell is Lee Harvey Oswald when his country so desperately needs him?

[Prelewd]

Originally posted by taranaki
Where the hell is Lee Harvey Oswald when his country so desperately needs him?

That's fucked: just because you disagree with Bush/Rumsfield, they should be assasinated?

[taranaki]

Originally posted by Prelewd


That's fucked: just because you disagree with Bush/Rumsfield, they should be assasinated?

That's fucked: just because you disagree with Saddam Hussein, he should be assasinated?

Spare me the crap about how evil he was,there have been plenty of really bad leaders in my lifetime that have either been ignored or assisted by the U.S. government.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

whats funny is that Sadamn was one of them.

[gigatron]

Yes indeed and what's even MORE funny is that the US gov with the CIA put in power a military dictatorship in Iran which the people overthrew and then came to Iraq put Sadam in power (who was at the time some sort of oil minister or something I forget) to get rid of the Iranians. Now after he has no uses he has been eliminated (well supposingly). Life's an irony..

[Prelewd]

Originally posted by taranaki


That's fucked: just because you disagree with Saddam Hussein, he should be assasinated?

Spare me the crap about how evil he was,there have been plenty of really bad leaders in my lifetime that have either been ignored or assisted by the U.S. government.

Jumping to the conclusion that I think that war was about Saddam Hussein's evilness? I might have supported the war in the beginning, but it was for a different reason, and that is the WMDs in the wrong man's hands. It's a different story now that they haven't found any...

You might have tried to turn that around on me, but you still said it in the first place. If that was a joke, then HA! I still think it's fucked if you meant it though.

[taranaki]

Well it was your President who made the assertion that 'Saddam is an EVIL man".Along with other assertions about WMD that he must have known to be untrue[viz:-WMD].My point is that George Bush has set a precedent here.If you don't like the leader of another country,make some statements that you can't confirm without invading his country,and then go kill him.If George Bush were to be assassinated,I personally wouldn't be heartbroken.What I get some comfort from is that there are people in America who would do it for the best interests of their own nation.

[SHOtough]

Originally posted by gigatron
and then came to Iraq put Sadam in power (who was at the time some sort of oil minister or something I forget) to get rid of the Iranians. Now after he has no uses he has been eliminated (well supposingly). Life's an irony..

haha! what a joke. you really need to do some research before you go out and try to look smart. put saddam in power? i'm pretty sure it was his political party who lead the violent attack on iraq's leaders, and then saddam's cousin took control of iraq which lead to saddam coming to power. the u.s. had no part in saddam or the ba'th party coming to power and to say so just makes you look ignorant. im 15 and i'm smart enough to not rewrite history to bring favor to my side of viewing things. come on man, what were you thinking??

[Prelewd]

Naki, you can point your finger all you want, seriously, but our president will probably never tailor to your desires alone. He did what he thought was right, and now he has to live with the consequences. There's a reason you never trust a politician.. a statesman, yes, but not a politician. It's a sad thing that 95% of our country's leaders are politicians, and that they are in it for themselves. Greed is the sin that rules all.

If I was running the show, I would do the best I could with what I had, and try not to make a mistake, but I fear that would be impossible. "well it was your blah blah blah..." No offense naki, but that just sounds childish. Are you blaming me for this now?

As for the people in the US that would gladly assasinate Bush for the betterment of our nation.... any sensible person wouldn't do this. The extreme left have been fed the same propoganda the right wing has, just as a different POV.

[gigatron]

Originally posted by SHOtough


haha! what a joke. you really need to do some research before you go out and try to look smart. put saddam in power? i'm pretty sure it was his political party who lead the violent attack on iraq's leaders, and then saddam's cousin took control of iraq which lead to saddam coming to power. the u.s. had no part in saddam or the ba'th party coming to power and to say so just makes you look ignorant. im 15 and i'm smart enough to not rewrite history to bring favor to my side of viewing things. come on man, what were you thinking??

Ok wise young one You do a little bit more of research and come back ok? The only reason the US really abandoned Sadam was because he wanted his own little thing, and when the oil was nationalized no longer under foreign control that brought up conflict too On a side note isn't it amazing how foreign countries can own resources in other countries. Oh and if it weren't for the US support he wouldn't have stayed in power.. Do a little more research it's good that you are interested at such a young age.