For all those who say a FWD can't drift

[Tony]

I wasn't saying it was a giant ass drift, or a linked one, but you try finding some good turns around this place, there isn't any. My only reason for posting this is to show that it is possible, if you definition of a drift is staying sideways through a series of turns, you have a narrow point of view on it, but I thank you BOOSTD for not sounding like an ass and giving me a more logical reason for why you don't think a FWD can drift rather than "ALL FWD CAN DO IS ASS DRAG!! FWD CANNOT DRIFT!!!" Those people are the really narrow minded and just refuse what is possible. If you definition of drift is that, thats fine, I'm not tryin to change it. A drift is just a controlled slide, after you simplify the definition, and no i don't mean take out words that make a big difference. Therefore a drift can either be a big series of controlled slides, or just one little controlled slide.

Also, NSX I thank you for saying a FWD can drift, but giving some reason as to why many people don't do it. I agree, a RWD drift looks a hell of a lot better than a FWD drift, but just because of that, it doesn't mean a FWD cannot drift. That is what a lot of people are thinking. Because a RWD can stay sideways a lot longer than a FWD can, its automatic that a FWD cannot drift.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

i think i wrote somewhere else that they can't but

thats my view on the matter because there were FF drift cars in D1 but the performance of FR is alot better so the FF's can't perform as good as drifts.

[Suislide]

just to clarify: in my viewpoint, i don't believe that FF simply CAN'T drift. they can get sideways, as you've shown, and in ways, it looks like/is sort of like drifting. but in the truest sense of the word, and under my definition (which i'm too lazy to type out right now), they just can't do it. that's just what i think, and will probably always think. i have much respect for an FF guy that can drift and make it look as good as an RWD car, but as of yet, i just haven't seen that.

[Tony]

See that is fine Iketani, I think a lot of the FR people are taking the FF people wrong. Im thinking a lot of them are just assuming that when we say a FF can drift we mean just as good, or better than a FR, but we don't. The only reason FF argue about this is just to get mainly to get some of you to admit a FF can drift, but we aren't trying to make you say it can drift just as good as a FR or better, because it has to take a shitload of skill to make a FF drift look anything close to a FR drift. So see, we aren't trying to turn you into FF drifting freaks, just trying to get some of you to admit that it can drift, just not as good as a FR. Thats it.

[2strokebloke]

I think people are confusing drifting with drifting competitively. It's two completely different things, FF can drift, perhaps not competitively against an FR car.
And anybody who says you have to use the E-brake to get a FWD car to drift is a complete moron, that should get out of their Daihatsu Charade and try driving something else. I feel that alot of people are simply stating that front wheel drive cars can't drift because it's what has been fed to them by other people and they'll just believe them because they don't like proving things for themselves.

[mmcc]

My opinion of a drift is when a FR has its rear wheels spinning and thus having less traction while going sideways round a corner/roundabout etc. The rear wheels are spinning and the amount of drift is controleed by the throttle. The drift can be of a long distance. There are many techniques eg. Feint, Side, Shiftlock, Power over etc..

I am sure a FF car can go sideways, to be honest any car can. It is the control and technique that earns it the name drift. The word "skidding" could have been used, but this is controlled and thus called drift.

The question is, can a person put a car sideways ON PURPOSE and be in control of the car throughout the CORNER, no matter how long that corner is.

If i am wrong, please let me know. This is just my 5 cents.

P.S. I am driving a 4WD. My car can't drift, but 4WD can drift, ALL 4 WHEELS (JUN EVO 5). I will be selling my car for a S14 Silvia to drift.

[Ragnarok043]

exactly Tony i think some of you guys are taking it wrong, we all know that RWDs can drift better than FWDs, we're not trying to argue that. we're just saying it possible to drift an FWD, hell you drift anything that can keep its balance through a corner. there are basically 3 types of drifting, power over, lock and inertial. just about any type of vehicle are capable of lock drifting and inertial drifting. its just that only RWDs are capable of power over drifting. so far the only arguments ive heard against FWD drifting are just opinions, facts are can inertial drift anything, you cant deny that.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

EVERYONE SHUT UP ABOUT FF Drifting

its pointless arguing SO CAN WE GET BACK TO SOME DECENT THREADS ??????????????????

[DriftAE86]

a true DRIFT is when you lite up the rears and keep the car moving by using the throttle to control angle and speed through the turn. if its not rear wheel drive, its not a real drift. even some rear wheel drives cant do real drifts unless it has an LSD.

im sick of FF drivers crying about "we can drift too" thats BS. get over it and just learn how to grip. i had a civic EF and it was fun. FF can still have fun without pretending to drift. just dont do it with neon lights and euro tails, for the love of god.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP

TAKE THIS TO THE DRIFTING FORUM IF YOU WANT TO MOAN

NO MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT FF DRIFT PLEASE


D1 accepts FF cars isn't that a good enough reason to believe they can drift? You wanna know why there aren't any? Cuz they can't compete they are no where near as good at pulling mental slides.

[LOSNIT]

Yes FWD can drift even without using the hand brake. Although this manouvre requires skill. You will only drift in a FWD when you are taking turns at about +80 kmh and appling the footbrake at the right time. I first realised this when i was taking a turn at about 90kmh and the back end just slid out and went vertical with the gutter. It was crazy!!!

[JeffForSale!]

Originally Posted by LOSNIT

Yes FWD can drift even without using the hand brake. Although this manouvre requires skill. You will only drift in a FWD when you are taking turns at about +80 kmh and appling the footbrake at the right time. I first realised this when i was taking a turn at about 90kmh and the back end just slid out and went vertical with the gutter. It was crazy!!!

FWD cannot drift, sure D1 accepts them but there are none now are they? What would you say to a guy that asked why tehre were no Integras in the D1? Because they cant drift...

[Tony]

Originally Posted by JeffForSale!

FWD cannot drift, sure D1 accepts them but there are none now are they? What would you say to a guy that asked why tehre were no Integras in the D1? Because they cant drift...

Yo, this thread died along time ago, we all agreed that if you believe a FF can't drift, then find, keep it to yourself. But for all those open minded people who still believe in the lost art, don't be intimidated by all those narrow minded people who will never believe a FF can drift just because it can't pull show drifts like a FR.

See the reason why most people claim a FF cannot drift is because they have grown used to the Show Drift, and claim that is the only form of a drift. For anyone who keeps up with Auto-X you will know that FF do drift in it. Sure its not as giant as in D1, but its still a drift, it is a controlled slide.

Now that is as far as I am going into it. Either you believe they do, or you don't. Don't bring this arguement up again, we see it way too much and we killed it once before, so let it stay that way.

[scourge2u]

God god! Oh how the FF people all want to be part of the new drifting fad that they'll make up some BS line about how FF cars can actually drift. You people just can't stand being left out after spending so much money on an inferior platform (for drifting that is) that you just can't stand it.

No, its not opinion - FF cars simply cannot drift. They can get sideways. They can mimic drifting. They can be fun as hell to drive. But, at the end of the day, a FF car simply cannot drift. It has nothing to do with style, it has to do with ability. That is why drifters in Japan (you knw, the people all the Americans want to be like) simply never choose FF.

I know people get all passionate about this, just like christians who claim that jesus was real despite any smigeon of evidence to support it, and I'm not gloating about stepping on any toes. Its just that I take it upon myself to inform the masses of the truth. Its painful after investing so much time and money in a project to just let it go, but thats just life.

For anyone who thinks that FF cars can drift, string together at least 2 (more than that will make it so much more embarassing) curves going in opposite directions and see if the FF car can maintain, if not gather momentum, and be able to drift around each corner. As someone who has seen hours and hours and hours of videos, I am yet to see one do it even with experienced drivers. The physics cannot be overcome in a FF platform.

If you want to join this new fad so you can be uber cool in front of your friends, then you need to right equipment. That, or you can focus on something that FF can and does excel at and thats called grip racing tohge style. But then, there is no anime, magazine, or racing series out there hyping grip so there is no bandwagon to jump on. However, FF is an excellent platform to drive in the mountains because the weight is over the drive wheels.

But again, since its not cool to drive grip, my suggestion will be ridiculed and overlooked......

[ahutson03]

Ok my opinion might be a little biased because I believe that there is very little use for front driven wheels in a performance car. This said, Tony, you could be one of the least knowledgeable people about car physics that I have ever met. What you describe here is a basic oversteer situation. And yes rally drivers drift FF cars IN THE MUD.