Revell AMG DTM 2010 reference pic help

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by racer93

Easy way to do it is to paint the flat black, polish it out as you would, then put the decal that is glossy on top of the flat.

whoa... deja vu.
why would you want to polish flat black?
it isn't exactly ideal to apply decals over a flat paint base.


I would say that you might want to forgo decals and do it the hard way.
Flat black base and then carefully make and apply a negative mask and spray the gloss parts.
With the black text, you might be able to simply use gloss clear instead of actual black paint. This would make spraying the Gloss White on top easier.

[racer93]

Again, it's just my thought. You don't have to. I thought it might be an idea. I could be wrong. It's happened before.

The way the thing looks is that if you just put the decal over the flat paint or top coat, you'd get the "gloss" effect on the decal only. That's what I saw. Take it fwiw.

[amani]

since i am building it with the decals provided, i am going to paint it gloss black, decal it, then semi gloss clear coating it, or even flat clear, it should be ok. any better ideas from you experts?

[drunken monkey]

well, applying another clear on top other than a gloss won't give you the correct gloss text.
I suppose another method is to do as you say and to paint the body gloss black, decal then apply the matt/flat clear on top then mask off everything but the text and shoot some gloss clear over the text decal area.

i.e make a negative mask/template using decals as guide and use this to help mask the matt/flat parts afterwards.

Make sense?

Either way, to get gloss text on matt surface is going to be fiddly.

[racer93]

DM--wouldn't you agree that just simply putting the decals straight on top of a matte or semi-matte surface would translate into a "gloss" appearance of the decals themselves? (Here I'm assuming that the black, "shadow" decals on the hood are actual decals.) After that, don't top coat it anything. Just be done with it.

I see the masking you're talking about to be a massive PITA...maybe it's just me.

EDIT: I see that the decal on the front part of the hood is one piece. Yick. Maybe some enterprising decal maker would consider making a black decal of the "Plus" that one could put on after the one that comes with the kit to achieve the "gloss" effect? That would be the absolute easiest answer...or, maybe buying another decal sheet from Revell, if that's possible?

[drunken monkey]

Decals don't usually want to stick to anything other than a gloss surface.
You could probably get it to settle down using setting solutions but that doesn't/won't alleviate the issue that you sometimes get (so you might get lucky and not have any issues) with silvering with clear parts of decals when you try to apply them to anything other than a gloss surface.

So yes, you can simply apply the decals over a matt/flat surface if you want but it isn't a guaranteed thing to work out.

[racer93]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Decals don't usually want to stick to anything other than a gloss surface.
You could probably get it to settle down using setting solutions but that doesn't/won't alleviate the issue that you sometimes get (so you might get lucky and not have any issues) with silvering with clear parts of decals when you try to apply them to anything other than a gloss surface.

So yes, you can simply apply the decals over a matt/flat surface if you want but it isn't a guaranteed thing to work out.

I do this a lot with the frames of MotoGP bikes and the decals that go on there. You do have to work the decals pretty hard with MicroSol to get any silvering out. Once you do, it's ok. Just takes a little work. This is one of the reasons I suggested to smooth out the flat finish. It keeps this from happening, in however so slight a way.

This problem makes me want to buy an aftermarket set of decals for this car. It just seems like a bear of a project to get that front just right. Yick.

[ataschner]

Scroll down the page and you will find "DTM2009"
http://www.gurneyflap.com/other.html

And here, some good details of the Aerodynamic of DTM Audi A4
http://www.gurneyflap.com/technique.html

Official DTM website: (not so good for reference, but you can get some nice ideas)
http://www.dtm.com/fotoalbum.php

[amani]

thank you, yeaa, got more pics now

[racer93]

I'm really excited about the KA p/e set! That looks fabulous!

[amani]

Originally Posted by racer93

I'm really excited about the KA p/e set! That looks fabulous!

got a link for that, i tried to look for it, but no luck

[lovegt40]

http://cgi.ebay.it/KE1-24-A4-DTM-Det...item3a64060c0d

[gasdriverca]

Heres a link to the site which apparently is new!http://www.ka-models.com/index.php but these look really good ! just as good as the ModelPower ones but with a little more,I like that they done the Digital display console too.

[amani]

Originally Posted by gasdriverca

Heres a link to the site which apparently is new!http://www.ka-models.com/index.php but these look really good ! just as good as the ModelPower ones but with a little more,I like that they done the Digital display console too.

the set for audi is beautiful, now i wish i have the audi kit. thanks,

[amani]

hey guys, i dont know how many of you are working on this kit, but does anyone realize that there are no decals for the A pillars? so i contacted revell, hope to buy an extra sheet of decals from them for A pillar, and here is what the revell's rep said: (directly from the emails)

"You are correct! The box art does show the pillars to be (white). According to one of our Product Managers it was indicated that the illustrator shows the car on the box art in white This may have been an instant when they needed to get something on the box art to get the ready for a trade show and thusly; no one had caught it. There are no decals in white for the pillars in the kit. Whatever ever decals are in this kit are the only ones available.

Due to this being a Revell German product we are unable sell extra decals from their model kits. These kits are not stocked here in our Elk Grove Village office and we have no idea what they have in inventory for this kit.

We can only suggest that you contact Revell Germany by going to www.revell.de, fill out their form them and ask them if they can sell you an extra decal sheet from this model kit. If you do decide to go to them please let them know you contacted us so they don’t send you over to us for handling."

she also spoke to the revell germay and came back to me with this:

"I spoke to another person about this.

He explained that at the time of the race the car was black. Even though there is another car with the pillars shown to be white there could have been a car change for any given reason. The first car may have been in an accident during a race. There are times in their garage they will have more than one car that will be raced. If one is in an accident then another one will be raced in its place.

At the time of the race the car was “black”. The illustrator painted the car to reflect the pillars showing sunlight image that could make it look like decal markings are in white. The box art does not show white decals for the pillars, only an image. Therefore, all information on the box is correct and there are no decals markings for the pillars in white.

However, on a one-time only basis we will process an order for you to get another decal sheet for kit 07128 – DTM Mercedes AMG.

We will have this order sent up to Germany for them to fill. When we get the order here in our office/warehouse then we will mail the order to you from our USA office. Allow 12-14 weeks for the order to reach you."

do you know what revell is trying to say? sunlight reflection?
Revell have been very on top of my comments through out, great service, anyways i got my extra decal sheet much faster than i expected, good job revell