Who will win the Spanish GP?

[Guido]

it's good that we can disagree on things

Kimi would have been to blame if the yellow flags were out on the pitwall and if Pizzonia would have waved his arms - which btw is standard procedure in F-1 starting policies. I didn't see any flags and didn't see any Pizzonia arms. So you could blame him for being all fired up at the start of a GP, but hey, who isn't! Before Pizzonia realised that his Jaguar "shoot-away-software" let him down and that he should wave, Kimi already ran into him. I start to believe why Jaguar wants to get rid of the poor fellow...

race accident.

And DC, oh well, like I said I believe there was no room for Button - like you said: "Almost". When someone is along side you, you have to give way in F-1, not when someone is "almost" alongside you - but does it really matter now? It was a bad weekend for the McLaren fans the world over and like Norbert Haug said "We're looking forward to Austria"

[freakray]

Originally posted by Veyron
McLaren who? Williams who?

You Ferrari boys weren't saying that when you were losing to the Mclarens.....

Isn't it amazing how Ferrari fans make excuses for their favorite drivers when their drivers fail them, but when the other teams have a bad day it is almost impossible to shut the Ferrari fans up......

We all saw the same race, we all saw what happened to Kimi and David.....to me Kimi followed instinct, Wilson went left and he dove right....right into Pizzonia....racing incident.....whoop-dee-frigging-doo....
you Ferrari boys got what you wanted, Kimi to not score any points, so now you can shut up and go gloat to yourselves in the mirror.....

Tell me, were you lot so vocal when Mclaren were dominating? (except for you whinging that is )

This forum has got so frigging lame.....it's motorsports, not a frigging religion.....what's next, Ferrari fans going on a crusade to rid the world of non-Ferrari fans?

[Veyron]

Originally posted by freakray


You Ferrari boys weren't saying that when you were losing to the Mclarens.....

Isn't it amazing how Ferrari fans make excuses for their favorite drivers when their drivers fail them, but when the other teams have a bad day it is almost impossible to shut the Ferrari fans up......

We all saw the same race, we all saw what happened to Kimi and David.....to me Kimi followed instinct, Wilson went left and he dove right....right into Pizzonia....racing incident.....whoop-dee-frigging-doo....
you Ferrari boys got what you wanted, Kimi to not score any points, so now you can shut up and go gloat to yourselves in the mirror.....

Tell me, were you lot so vocal when Mclaren were dominating? (except for you whinging that is )

This forum has got so frigging lame.....it's motorsports, not a frigging religion.....what's next, Ferrari fans going on a crusade to rid the world of non-Ferrari fans?

Chill! Just poking fun, not serious jabs at all! The luck will turn many times this season for sure, I just want good racing no matter who wins.

[djmr2]

Originally posted by huudo
it's good that we can disagree on things
Kimi would have been to blame if the yellow flags were out on the pitwall and if Pizzonia would have waved his arms - which btw is standard procedure in F-1 starting policies. I didn't see any flags and didn't see any Pizzonia arms. So you could blame him for being all fired up at the start of a GP, but hey, who isn't! Before Pizzonia realised that his Jaguar "shoot-away-software" let him down and that he should wave, Kimi already ran into him. I start to believe why Jaguar wants to get rid of the poor fellow...

they said it was a Launch Control failure, and at the rate of acceleration on a F1 car, i don't think he would have even had the chance to raise his arms before he was nailed.

[Michael Schumacher]

Originally posted by freakray


You Ferrari boys weren't saying that when you were losing to the Mclarens.....

No because there wasnt much to celebrate since they were beating the boys in red.

Isn't it amazing how Ferrari fans make excuses for their favorite drivers when their drivers fail them, but when the other teams have a bad day it is almost impossible to shut the Ferrari fans up......

We're just trying to make ourselves feel better after seeing them loose . It wasnt that McLaren had a bad day that we're excited (not me anyways) its that Michael won.

We all saw the same race, we all saw what happened to Kimi and David.....to me Kimi followed instinct, Wilson went left and he dove right....right into Pizzonia....racing incident.....whoop-dee-frigging-doo....
you Ferrari boys got what you wanted, Kimi to not score any points, so now you can shut up and go gloat to yourselves in the mirror.....

It was a racing incident, no ones making fun of him beacause of what happend. The samething could have just as easily happend to Michael. I will admit I wanted Kimi to finish low but I didnt want to see him go out like that.

Tell me, were you lot so vocal when Mclaren were dominating? (except for you whinging that is )

There isnt much to be happy about when you favorite team isnt winning. Therefor, not to much to talk about, nothing positve anyways .

This forum has got so frigging lame.....it's motorsports, not a frigging religion.....

Its not But why are you getting so mad at what was said? When someone says something like "McLaren who? Williams who?" there usually just joking.

what's next, Ferrari fans going on a crusade to rid the world of non-Ferrari fans?

That is the ultimate goal for Ferrari fans .

[ales]

Guido, watch the replay, there were yellow flags And in F1 you have to leave room when someone is indeed almost alongside you. Button's front wheels were on front of DC's rear wheels.

And Ray, I'm sorry to say this, but it's you who's making the forum lame at the moment. Stop, chill out and have fun. I have not seen anyone whigning And isn't it normal for supporters of a particular team to be happy when their team is winning and not so happy when it's not? Do you want us to cheer when our team isn't winning? I don't see you cheering All of your posts in this thread have been very negative, read through them and see waht I mean. Try to enjoy the sport and exchanging views with other F1 enthusiasts. And don't take this too personally or make it personal either.

[Guido]

Originally posted by ales
Guido, watch the replay, there were yellow flags And in F1 you have to leave room when someone is indeed almost alongside you. Button's front wheels were on front of DC's rear wheels.

Oh well, I'm not going to watch the replay, but instead believe you, that's easier Then you have a point, but still I think it's human for Kimi to be fired up aand again, blame him for that? As long as the McLaren fans don't blame him, it's OK.

Still as long as I follow F1 (since 1985, which is nearly 20 years - are we getting old and grey :smoka: ) my understanding is that you give way when someones front wheels are level with the middle (cockpit area) of the opponent. Not almost and ceretainly not when your wheels are just before your opponents rear wheels. oh well, I've never liked Button in the first place.

[ales]

Originally posted by huudo
Still as long as I follow F1 (since 1985, which is nearly 20 years - are we getting old and grey :smoka: ) my understanding is that you give way when someones front wheels are level with the middle (cockpit area) of the opponent.

Well, my understanding is that wherever you opponent is, you don't give way! You do give some racing room though

Originally posted by huudo
oh well, I've never liked Button in the first place.

Me neither... I like DC and JV less though

[ales]

First two corners

[freakray]

Alex,
My whole point is I was coming to this forum to have fun and enojoy the comraderie of fellow F1 fans, but in the last couple of months it has become more frequent for people to attack other teams rather than constructively discuss the race.
I enjoy reading the debates about the race and the strategy, sometimes I get involved and most times I don't.
We all get excited when our favorite driver or team wins, that is the human nature, but making comments to incent a reaction is plain immature, gets right under my skin, and you saw my reaction.

When I started frequenting the F1 forum, it is was interesting and fun, but as this season has progressed and things have happened, I don't enjoy it anymore.

The only person I think gave any sort of respectable response to my previous post was MS, the rest of you just responded like I expected.....

Basically Ales, if you think I am making the forum lame, I don't give a damn, if you want me to show you the whinging......fine....

[ales]

Originally posted by freakray
Alex,
My whole point is I was coming to this forum to have fun and enojoy the comraderie of fellow F1 fans, but in the last couple of months it has become more frequent for people to attack other teams rather than constructively discuss the race.

Then why not start constructive discussions. Look at your first post of this thread. I meant to answer to Guido's post but changed my mind after reading yours and just voted.

Originally posted by freakray


We all get excited when our favorite driver or team wins, that is the human nature, but making comments to incent a reaction is plain immature, gets right under my skin, and you saw my reaction.

I honestly have no idea what you mean. The "Williams who?" thing? It was a light an friendly poke, nothing more. Me and Guido throw these at each other all the time and have a nice laugh when one of us manages a good poke. And it is your taking it so seriously and personally and then making it personal that sort of gets under my skin and you've seen my reaction. Are you havin a bad week or something?

Originally posted by freakray

The only person I think gave any sort of respectable response to my previous post was MS, the rest of you just responded like I expected.....

You're absolutely correct here. He has been taking hits like no other, I'm thoroughly impressed with his calmness, maturity, and good spirits. No matter what you, Guido or Phil threw at him in several threads (in good humour or not) he took it all in a matter that left me very impressed. Both you and me could probably learn from that, don't you think?

Originally posted by freakray

Basically Ales, if you think I am making the forum lame, I don't give a damn, if you want me to show you the whinging......fine....

Well, Freakray, you have shown it to me 3 times in this thread only. Again, are you having a bad week, Ray? Try to take things easier.

[freakray]

No Ales, I am not having a bad week, I am frustrated.....

What makes it bad is the fact that my frustration has nothing to do with any of the teams or the racing, it is the attitude of some of the fans that is frustrating me.

[RallyRaider]

Okay here is my take on the two incidents that took the good guys out of the race.

First of all Kimi. He really had very little chance in the fraction of a second that his race lasted. He was unsighted by the Minardi in front of him, simply saw it go left figured he'd go right and bang that was it. Remember also that the McLaren launch control is much more effective than Minardi' so Kimi was closing much faster than Wilson was.

Have to give the blame to Button on the Coulthard incident. He took the inside line, Coulthard gave him room perhaps figuring he could keep to the outside and have the inside line for turn two. Button either just didn't give him enough room or went in too hot and slid wide into DC. Button wasn't far enough ahead to make any claim to the corner.

Didn't really get a good look at the Trulli incident so can't comment on that one.

How 'bout them Renaults! Without Ralf holding Alonso up (not his fault as the marshalls didn't wave the blue flags) Micheal could have really been pushed at the end there.

[RallyRaider]

I understand where Ray is coming from but I'm afraid that is the nature of any sport with it's share of fair weather fans and bandwagon jumpers. F1 has them in droves. The winners always attract the type of fan who likes to simplify things down to "4re ownz U" and "Williams who?".

It is quite amusing because they are obviously too limited in intelect to realise that by putting the other teams pereformance down they are also belittling their "own" team. If all the other teams and drivers are incomptent then Schumi doesn't need to be anything special to beat them then does he? He must be just as big a clown as the rest of them, minus a few tenths of a percent.

[Guido]

Originally posted by ales


Me neither... I like DC and JV less though

I've met all of them - not that I talked to all of them, but seen them in the pit-lane, watched them from a close distance. To DC I talked very shortly once and regardless what people say or think about him, he's a very open and relaxed guy. Taking his time for the fans, to chat, to sign etc. etc. All this during private test session, where there is not really a "perofrmance-race-weekend-pressure" on their shoulders. At 5 o clock they also call it a day you know. JB didn't give a shit about his fans. DC was available for more then 20 mins which afterall is also part of F-1 business.