Lieberman R-34 Skyline Progress Art

[asaenz]

The Ka looks really good. Remember Taylor's box 123 rules. Also (now this is a general rule) shadows should not come at the viewer like at the bottom rear of your car. That might have been in your photo. If it was the photographer missed an accepted rule which is to have the sun behind you while taking a picture of a car.

Good point on the wooden pencil. I should have said that mechanical is what I prefer. People do not have to use that.

I have another tip that may help you. It is not discussed in great detail in Thom Taylor's book.

It is called the Grid technique. It was developed by Albrecht Durer I believe and was used by other master artists in the past and is used today.

Basically you draw a grid on the reference photo and then draw a grid to scale on your paper (lightly) then draw the car and erase the grid. You can scale up your drawing by going from 1 cm squares on the photo to 2 or 3 cm. squares on your paper.

Now some artist use modified versions of this. Like Betty Edwards whom uses just 4 quadrant grid. I use many quadrants like 10 squares across and perhaps 4-6 from top to bottom. This technique is explained in great detail in the following book

Lifelike Portraits from Photographs by Lee Hammond.

In Betty Edwards book (The new drawing on the right side of the brain) I am learning to draw with out grids. I personally believe there is nothing wrong with grids but they can be more time consuming like 30 minutes. But what is 30 minutes compared to 12-15 hours

The bottom line is cars are made by machines and thus are perfect in proportion and size so tools must be used in my opinion to get the same effect of perfectness.

I have found that the more cars I do the better I get and learn. Keep on drawing amigo.

asaenz

Wow I guess I read a lot of books

[simdel1]

Originally posted by asaenz
The Ka looks really good. Remember Taylor's box 123 rules. Also (now this is a general rule) shadows should not come at the viewer like at the bottom rear of your car. That might have been in your photo. If it was the photographer missed an accepted rule which is to have the sun behind you while taking a picture of a car.

Good point on the wooden pencil. I should have said that mechanical is what I prefer. People do not have to use that.

I have another tip that may help you. It is not discussed in great detail in Thom Taylor's book.

It is called the Grid technique. It was developed by Albrecht Durer I believe and was used by other master artists in the past and is used today.

Basically you draw a grid on the reference photo and then draw a grid to scale on your paper (lightly) then draw the car and erase the grid. You can scale up your drawing by going from 1 cm squares on the photo to 2 or 3 cm. squares on your paper.

Now some artist use modified versions of this. Like Betty Edwards whom uses just 4 quadrant grid. I use many quadrants like 10 squares across and perhaps 4-6 from top to bottom. This technique is explained in great detail in the following book

Lifelike Portraits from Photographs by Lee Hammond.

In Betty Edwards book (The new drawing on the right side of the brain) I am learning to draw with out grids. I personally believe there is nothing wrong with grids but they can be more time consuming like 30 minutes. But what is 30 minutes compared to 12-15 hours

The bottom line is cars are made by machines and thus are perfect in proportion and size so tools must be used in my opinion to get the same effect of perfectness.

I have found that the more cars I do the better I get and learn. Keep on drawing amigo.

asaenz

Wow I guess I read a lot of books

yep, the shadow was in the photo. the photographer must have thought that the shadow didnt loose too much of the detail., maybe.

i used to use the grid technique. but when i got used to usinga single point of reference for basing all proportions off, i found it quicker to not do the grid. and IMO it is still near as damn it perfect. maybe i should try it again and see if it makes any difference.

the main problem i have is that i have hardly drawn any cars in the last few years. about 2 years ago i had the chance of drawing cars FOR school. i learned so much in those couple of months. since then i have had so many qualifications to concentrate on that i havent really had time.

just for a futher comparison ill add the original photo.

now i can see all the mistakes that i did. i did intentionally make sure that it was a lot lighter than the original so that it looked more ''real'', and i changed the background to something less ''busy''. not bad really considering the photo is about 3inches by 4 inches, and the drawing is 12 inches by 8. i will try the grid method next time though to get rid of the bad proportions.

[asaenz]

Simdel 1

You are right that car is near perfect. Awesome. I say stay with the single point of reference you got that nailed down.

I think perhaps some elipse tools will help like the sizes recommended by Thom Taylor for your rims.

Can you offer any tips using the single point of reference. That is amazing, I am in that chapter right now in Betty's book. That is exacly what she talks about.

Do you just use your pencil for measuring? Give an example if you can.

Thanks Simdel1 for your help with the single point of reference.

I am really amazed with your skill with out grids, awesome.

asaenz

[simdel1]

Originally posted by asaenz
Simdel 1

You are right that car is near perfect. Awesome. I say stay with the single point of reference you got that nailed down.

I think perhaps some elipse tools will help like the sizes recommended by Thom Taylor for your rims.

Can you offer any tips using the single point of reference. That is amazing, I am in that chapter right now in Betty's book. That is exacly what she talks about.

Do you just use your pencil for measuring? Give an example if you can.

Thanks Simdel1 for your help with the single point of reference.

I am really amazed with your skill with out grids, awesome.

asaenz

thankyou very much asaenz!!!

iv been looking around for those elipses for quite some time. i think ill have to look harder.

the single point of reference is quite simple:
i spend some time making sure that the nearest wheel (the rear wheel on the street ka drawing) is proportionally correct. on the street ka i think the width of the wheel was half of the height of the wheel. then using the pencil, i measured each major area (like the placing of the wheel arches/the front wheel/ height of the car/ height of rear lights etc) in units of either wheel widths or wheel heights on the original photo. then transfer the measurement to the sketch. Most are not exactly a whole number of wheel widths, so its just used as an estimate. if i was doing this properly i would use a ruler and a calculator, and get the number of wheel widths to an exact decimal value. besides, im sure the method described in your book will be more accuarate than my method. let me know what differences there are if you have time. thanx

i hope i have explained it well enough. if not, i will do ''progress photos'' if you like.

good luck with the skyline :ylsuper

[RyanGiorgio]

Originally posted by ghostchild316
Hey that looks great!

Sorry but I don't like Craig Leiberman

Arggggghhhhhhhhhh I hate that mofo!

[asaenz]

Originally posted by RyanGiorgio


Arggggghhhhhhhhhh I hate that mofo!

Why do people hate Craig Lieberman?

[asaenz]

Originally posted by simdel1


thankyou very much asaenz!!!

iv been looking around for those elipses for quite some time. i think ill have to look harder.

the single point of reference is quite simple:
i spend some time making sure that the nearest wheel (the rear wheel on the street ka drawing) is proportionally correct. on the street ka i think the width of the wheel was half of the height of the wheel. then using the pencil, i measured each major area (like the placing of the wheel arches/the front wheel/ height of the car/ height of rear lights etc) in units of either wheel widths or wheel heights on the original photo. then transfer the measurement to the sketch. Most are not exactly a whole number of wheel widths, so its just used as an estimate. if i was doing this properly i would use a ruler and a calculator, and get the number of wheel widths to an exact decimal value. besides, im sure the method described in your book will be more accuarate than my method. let me know what differences there are if you have time. thanx

i hope i have explained it well enough. if not, i will do ''progress photos'' if you like.

good luck with the skyline :ylsuper

Thanks for the tips. I will let you know what is in the book. Your post makes sense to me. Do some progress photos and start a new thread so other folks might take interest. It seems that people do not like the Lieb. Skyline. Oh well I put so much work in it so far I am going to finish it. I will have a progress pic. posted Wednesday.

Oh about the ellipses.

Check this out

http://www.artstuff.net/timely_ellipse_templates.htm

It has been 3 years since I bought mine. I think I purchased them from the people below. Mine are made by Timely. They are perfect. I would perhaps get a set that goes up to 3 in. Mine go up to 2.5 in. Sometimes I wish I had larger sizes. As far as degrees get the ones listed in Thom's book.

http://www.timelytemplates.com/f_ellipse/Tellipse.htm

asaenz

[RaceMySS_454]

asaenz Do you know any good site on how to get started on this?

Thanks


-RaceMySS

[Integra14]

just wondering, if you find pictures... online, or whatever.. and print them... and draw from that..

cause im AMAZED BY both ur work

[asaenz]

asaenz Do you know any good site on how to get started on this?

Sorry I do not know of any sites that show/tell instructions on drawing cars. All I have is recommended books. At amazon.com you can get Thom's book and another book on cars for 22$ (together)

How to Draw Cars Like a Pro by Thom Taylor $13.97
Draw Cars (Draw) by Doug DuBosque $8.99

For in depth detail on how to draw period check out the following books.

The new Drawing on the Right side of the Brain by Betty Edwards
Lifelike Portraits from Photographs by Lee Hammond

Both of the listed books above will help tremendously and they cover stuff that is not is Thom's book. His book asumes you can pretty much draw allready.

Check them out from your county library.

I am thinking of putting together a HOW to for this forum or a FAQ.

Originally posted by Integra14
just wondering, if you find pictures... online, or whatever.. and print them... and draw from that..

cause im AMAZED BY both ur work

I do use pictures from the internet, magazines like super street and sport compact. In the case of internet photos I print them. In the case of magazines I cut them out and use them for reference. This year I will be attending a couple of car shows to take my own photos for reference, like NOPI and SuperChevy shows and perhaps a Mustang show.

I may write my own book someday, after I improve myself on the topic of cars. I believe a better book can be written about drawing cars.

Thanks
asaenz

[asaenz]

Well here is an update on the car.

The line drawing is complete. I just need to add the marker and pastel.
I cannot wait to see how it looks.

[SuPeRcAr_MaN]

It is looking amazing. Definitely keep us updated.

[simdel1]

blimey...looks like you spend a lot more time on the drawing than me asaenz. im too impatient to get it perfect

lookin good

[RyanGiorgio]

WOW! Looks perfect!

[mike@af]

I've been looking at these drawings for a long time and they are just UNBELIEVEABLE. I have been drawing for years without much shading and no color.

Does anyone have any color tips? I use chalk but I dont get good reflections. Help!