M3 Opponents

[Ringo]

Originally posted by robslob
I just would like to say----that yes your cars are expensive---because they are of high quality------but I as ford owner and Cobra owner/lover------will say-----that our aftermarket allows us to build a car that can eat you up------and out handle you-----SVT may not want to put a car off the floor that can do so-----but thats not to bite the nose of of our aftermarket . . . anyone that does question this remark-------go to www.kennybrown.com--------because he has gotten every SVT Cobra within range of the world's top exotic cars-------and most importantly-----for a reasonable price--------not for 30k-60k prices that other non ford competitor tuners do . . . So I finish by saying AMG puts out what can be interpreted as a fully aftermarket car-----but does charge accordingly so for it------but us Ford aftermarket guys know-----we can take you out with our superior tuning equipment.

Obviously you are just a Ford fanatic and would stand behind any lemon that company builds. If BMW wanted to out-power anything else on the market they would just inserted the BMW V8, with more than 400 hp.

And another thing, anyone who thinks that BMWs are too expensive, well that is not BMW's fault, that is yours for not being good enough to afford one, no?

[tomlong]

And another thing, anyone who thinks that BMWs are too expensive, well that is not BMW's fault, that is yours for not being good enough to afford one, no?

Kinda Harsh, but pretty much true

[vortech]

I applaud you for picking the most general response I've ever heard. Yea you are so right---" I am a Ford fanatic". But for good reason. Again you allude to the lemons from Ford----but I clearly spoke of the tuning and the new cobra. I really can't help individuals like yourself understand my clear points---when you can't even follow along with your finger on a response of mine that attacked and defended specific points. Big whoop about the BMW V8. There are aftermarket 4.6L DOHC making almost 600hp N/A. BMW is starting to do the same thing Ford is doing---supercharging its top dogs. You obviously don't know much about mustang technology---therefore that makes you very unqualified to put down the stangs ultimate performance. Any Cobra with the correct aftermarket parts can punish any BMW that doesn't wear a GTR badge. Oh---and I thought I should mention---the next new M3 & M5 will be supercharged---as well as BMWs new super sports car---whatever the hell they want to call it---will also be supercharged. I guess BMW found out what Ford knew long in advanced---that a supercharged engine--makes great power---and is more affordable in production--and just as reliable as a N/A engine. I don't even know why I bother with you----because I can tell you know very little other than the stock capabilities of cars--and even more so--no less about suspension technology.

[RACER D12]

Originally posted by vortech
I applaud you for picking the most general response I've ever heard. Yea you are so right---" I am a Ford fanatic". But for good reason. Again you allude to the lemons from Ford----but I clearly spoke of the tuning and the new cobra. I really can't help individuals like yourself understand my clear points---when you can't even follow along with your finger on a response of mine that attacked and defended specific points. Big whoop about the BMW V8. There are aftermarket 4.6L DOHC making almost 600hp N/A. BMW is starting to do the same thing Ford is doing---supercharging its top dogs. You obviously don't know much about mustang technology---therefore that makes you very unqualified to put down the stangs ultimate performance. Any Cobra with the correct aftermarket parts can punish any BMW that doesn't wear a GTR badge. Oh---and I thought I should mention---the next new M3 & M5 will be supercharged---as well as BMWs new super sports car---whatever the hell they want to call it---will also be supercharged. I guess BMW found out what Ford knew long in advanced---that a supercharged engine--makes great power---and is more affordable in production--and just as reliable as a N/A engine. I don't even know why I bother with you----because I can tell you know very little other than the stock capabilities of cars--and even more so--no less about suspension technology.

Ya if you modded a Cobra it could beat any BMW but thats not fair if you mod one you should mod the other. Lets see a modded 4.6 Cobra beat a modded 4.9 Z8. Anyways lets get back on subject we were talking about the M3 yes a Cobra would own a M3 so its still a ford:hehehe: j/k. How do you guys think the M3 will fair against some of the new imports like the STI or EVO8?

[vortech]

the point was not just to say---yea you can a cobra and it will outperform an M3---the point was clearly presented--that we are talking about simple engine mods to the current cobra--as well as suspension work totallying about $4K. So don't give me this bullshit about the Z28 example. Cause no fricken Z28 comes with a blower----an 03 Cobra does. Start reading with your finger---and before you open your trap---check to see if I'm talking about a blown 03 cobra or a N/A cobra. Because it makes a hell of a difference--when you make a rebuttal.

[tomlong]

You can have all your Kenny Brown shit and your vortech blower. The truth of the matter is that Dinan can do the same shit to my beemer and you would not stand a chance V-8 against V-8. And in regards to suspension I could 4k in mine and have just as good of handling as your piece of crap Ford.

[AC Schnitzer M3]

Vortech, you're an Idiot

[vortech]

you may think so----but the handling wouldn't exceed it. It would be an easy dead heat. Mustangs can handle just as well as any sports car out there. Not stock wise, thats for sure. Its just a matter of the right aftermarket equipment going into the car--more importantly suspension. The problem with you guys---and its so apparent with some of the remarks----is that you all have this 'negative prejudice' towards cars made by Ford. You think because its a BMW, AMG Benz, Audi, etc. and carries such a high car value---that no other car out there can match up. The mustang is sports car---and is very bit capable of doing what I said. You guys aren't knowledgable enough to know what mustang technology is available. You ever hear of the Dodge Viper. Another American car company that built a car with monster performance---you think that SVT can't build a super-tuner??? lol They're doing it right now with the GT40. You don't know what you're saying---because the mustang has a monster aftermarket and it is very affordable. I've looked at what Rhennquist, Brabus, Dinan, etc. have to offer and I'm not putting it down at all. But bottom line---their aftermarket work---costs a fortune--and its a rip off. I say rip off---because their mods don't even get any vehicle---to monster levels of performance. They get great performance----but they are so exclusive --- that no other companies invest the time to explore how those cars can be improved. Thsi is fact here in the US. In Europe--its a different story--with the number of tuning shops that take care of that. But I think the idiot tag should be worn proudly on your license---because you are talking out of your ass. You don't know what suspension weaknesses the cobra or GT have---therefore---how do you think you can say that Dinan, etc.---can tune a car to outperform a 'tuned' stang. I know for a fact---that, thats total BS. Maybe one day we'll see a Kenny Brown Cobra run straightline and through a slalom with the other car tuners----but I don't think it will ever happen. Anyone who has a tuned mustang----knows about Kenny Brown---and would rightlfully agree. Just because an M5 costs $70K----don't think that it can easily outperform a $35K Cobra with a blower. Because the fact of the matter is---than 03 Cobra comes with monster performance---and a whole new suspension------leaves plenty of car owners---wondering what the fuck they paid so much money for. You guys see your cute tuner names---and don't even know how much their aftermarket parts increase handling, lateral grip, caster/camber or lateral grip for that matter. These are all variable that affect handling and suspension feel. AMG is a serious in house tuner----and they've shown it through the stock Benz---but the other tuners----definetely have not shown that they can make your car feel like its gone from night and day. Sadly, I have to say---that the last 2 posts that were made---were by a couple of morons---who problem don't even know how to change their own oil or drive stick.

[vortech]

http://www.dinanbmw.com/default.htm
Here's a major car mag that gave hime press on his famed S2-M5. Straightine power increase with the addition of a blower---and the grip on the car only went from 0.83 - 0.87---and read what a rediculous price he charged for everything he did. Also, notice how conveniently he didn't have a stock M5 to test his tuned M5 against. Didn't even run his M5 through a slalom. Typical tuner bullshit. I bet he didn't have a stock M5---because he charges so much---and the performance isn't so significantly different. I'm not surprised that this kind of bullshit was exposed. Brabus has conveniently done the same when coming down to test a stock mercedes vs. his tuned Benz. And of course----their times and performance numbers are all merely claims.

[vortech]

plenty of editions of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords, 5.0 Magazine, and Mustang Weekly----and the 03 Cobras performance numbers on stock equipment and aftermarket equipemnt-----ARE WELL DOCUMENTED. Unlike the other bullshit tuners who won't dare run comparison tests---but will gladly submit the bill for their work.

[tomlong]

Hey VORTECH,

If my cars interior was made of plastic crap like yours it would be around the same price. Prejudice toward Ford is correct. I have owned several Fords and GMs and they sucked just like the crap Ford and GM is still making. I have many friends that own mustangs(Steeda, Kenny Brown, SVT) and they will even admit that my car is built much better than theirs. Lets just take a cobra against an M5 for example because they are similar in horspower the M5 would perform as well if not better than the Cobra. Yes it would cost a lot more for an M5, but that is because it has four(not two) real leather seats(not plastic). The quality of the M5 in regards to materials and safety are off the scale compared to the Fords. BMW like other European car manufacturers take pride in their work and add alot of neat little touches which make the cars more enjoyable to own. And not any schmuck or redneck with $30,000 can own one. When I blow past you because you are waiting for a tow truck(like a couple new thunderbirds I have seen lately) you will than understand what our point is. Until than you may want to go hangout in the Mustang Forum with the other uneducated rednecks. By the way my stepmother drives a 2001 Mustang GT and granted it is fun to drive, but the cars build quality and performance are not even close to my BMW.

[vortech]

I just would like to say FUCKYOU. You sound extremely bigoted and ultra prejudice. Anyone can go into any forum--regardless of what they own. So FUCKYOU again for those BS remarks. Right, every mustang owner is a redneck. You want to argue a point---stick to the point. But I never spoke of the interior in an M5 vs. the Ford--and as far as your Ford problems----you never spoke of which models------and lastly all I spoke of was a tuned cobra or GT. You obviously had to respond the way you did----because you have limited intelligence on cars---as I mentioned earlier----and you exposed yourself with a typical response that most 'no nothings about cars' use. No shit the M5 has a nicer interior----I don't remember arguing anything about that. But you know what bro----I'm not arguing that point anymore----because its a waste trying to enlighten an uneducated racist like yourself.

Keep the discussion to the cars ASSHOLE---not the stereotyped drivers. And yes, I'm bringing myself down to your level---so you don't have to follow along with your finger anymore.

:silly2:

[RACER D12]

Man people can we get off the whole modded thing:o every car has potential. "With money anything is possible". I recently got a ride in a 2000 cobra it was stock as far as I know and even though im a diehard european car fan I have to say I was impressed although I think the cobra needs to be a little smaller but maybe it was just me. So anyways comparing a modded car vs modded car is pointless. tomlong and AC Schnitzer M3 shame on you two (slaps them both on the hand) losing your temper like that over something so silly i would expect this from a newbe but not from you two

Back to my earler question how do you think the M3 will do against the evo or sti

[TexasF355F1]

Kenny Brown sucks his supercharges are POS's. And the whopty freakin do, the cobra comes with a supercharger. The stock supercharger sucks too, 4lbs of boost, whooo don't get too much! With the money I save from buying a Z28 or SS I can buy a quality supercharger from Whipple and stomp the shit out of any mustang. Hell my cousin works at a Ford dealership and drives mustangs daily. He says the engine and superchargers are crap. Thats why he drive a Z28. Oh well BMW's are still better than both of them. With the 4.8sec 0-60 of the M3 you could add a turbo to that and damn your cobra would be getting eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And why is it taht Ford waited till after GM put a pause on the Camaro to add some power. I mean the Z28 could run circles around the Cobra before. I guess Ford's just scared.

[vortech]

the 03 in stock form has clipped off a 4.7 in 0-60 and a 12.7 - 12.8 in 1/4. Don't know what you're talkin about son. And thats in total stock with a choked intake and exhaust system. with opened up intake & exhaust + chip----thats over 500rwhp----already been tested, already been done. Oh and by the way---oh yee of massive stupidity. An Eaton blower is not crap. You obviously don't know about the torque benefits of a Roots blower---I'm not going to explain it----because u won't retain it anyway. Stock is 8psi not 4psi. Get it right. Lastly, the Eaton M112 roots----which the 03 carries-----is 15psi capable. You thats BS---email Eaton on their webpage---they are quick to respond and will be quick to confirm that. The only negative thing about the M112----is that the bulk of its power maxes out at about 5000rpm----then starts to tail off, unlike a centrifugal blower that makes power to redline. You don't know these things----because you are ignorant and like to run your mouth off---and probably are simply a young child who dreams of the day when he can take out a permit to drive. Finally, if we see a return of the Camaro----which hopefully will----since the public does not embrace the vehicle (as its low sales have really shown) it will most definetely have a blower itself----because Chevy likes to copycat. But by then ----- the Cobras will be in the 600hp range. Son--you have a lot to learn----but at the risk of making you more intelligent---I'll stop educating you. Oh yea---when is the 2003 & 2004 camaro coming out? Oh thats right, what camaro?