Please Confirm

[Milliardo]

Can anyone confirm of this report posted on another board:

The chief priest of the church [of] Nativity Father Pantirus declared that the church authority has taken unanimous decision as follows:
They have announced that they consider Bush, Blair, American Defense secretary Ramsfeld &British Foreign Minister Jackstraw are war criminal and aggressor. They are unwanted in the holly premises of Church Nativity. They will not be allowed to enter in the holly premises of the church.

Without any source cited, I do not subscribe to it. Until there is a link to it, I think it's fair to say the report is dubious.

[taranaki]

http://www.arabia.com/newsfeed/artic...386492,00.html

http://www.comeandsee.co.il/article....thread&order=0

[Milliardo]

Seems to be a serious blow to religious diplomacy then for Bush and Blair. I'm interested now in what the Catholic Church's response will be, since Pope John Paul II has also called on Bush and Blair to desist in starting the war and exhaust all possible means towards peace.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by Milliardo
Seems to be a serious blow to religious diplomacy then for Bush and Blair. I'm interested now in what the Catholic Church's response will be, since Pope John Paul II has also called on Bush and Blair to desist in starting the war and exhaust all possible means towards peace.

Since neither of those leaders is head of State of a country with strong Orthodox influence,I doubt very much if they worry about or respect the opinions of the Orthodox church.Frankly,Bush's attitude to the whole Iraq conflict makes me wonder how he can reconcile it with his alleged christianity.The Catholic church may carry a good number of supporters in America,but its opinion doesn't wield enough electoral clout to be of interest to the White House.

[TexasF355F1]

Hmmm....kind of surprising to me. I myself am a Catholic and am still unsure what the church will say. I find it disturbing though, that they are not allowed at this church, i believe it to be unchristian of the church to do this. Sunday is Easter, and I am sure the war will be of topic so if something interesting is spoken of and the priest shares his views that I feel are worth wild of posting I will do so.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
Hmmm....kind of surprising to me. I myself am a Catholic and am still unsure what the church will say. I find it disturbing though, that they are not allowed at this church, i believe it to be unchristian of the church to do this. Sunday is Easter, and I am sure the war will be of topic so if something interesting is spoken of and the priest shares his views that I feel are worth wild of posting I will do so.

It is however,very Christian to embark on crusades.But that,in my opinion,doesn't make it right.

[Milliardo]

Yes, I am interested as well in what the Catholic position will be. Regardless of whether or not they are Orthodox, such a thing said by a very large Christian Church would still disturb them. And if the Catholic Church decides that the decision made is fair and even supports it, then the backlash has begun in earnest.

It's too bad that Fr. Teyous is not quoted directly, as the words used are that Bush and Blair are "war criminals and children assassins and hence, the Church decided to excommunicate them", which are very strong words. A quote (or better yet, a sound bite) from the priest would be much more appropriate in this case, IMO.

[TexasF355F1]

Agreed. While I don't dispute what his thoughts are, the quote could have been taken out of context slightly.

[texan]

Originally posted by taranaki
It is however,very Christian to embark on crusades.But that,in my opinion,doesn't make it right.

The same goes for Muslims, which embarked on their crusades first.

And besides, you're digging up ancient history. Modern Christians are not itching to launch another Crusade.

[i_rebel]

Frankly,Bush's attitude to the whole Iraq conflict makes me wonder how he can reconcile it with his alleged christianity.

- If I can remember, I'll dredge up some of the pre-war press conferences, speeches, etc. He name dropped "God" rather heavily, and seemed quite certain that "God" supported his cause . . .

- It struck me as odd how absolutes where carelessly touted although clearly based on opinions at the time. There were numerous mentions of good, and evil.

- Even worse, in my opinion is the fact that Iraqi's were also calling on "God", equally certain that that supreme support for their war efforts.


- Who knows . . . ?

[Pick]

Originally posted by taranaki


Since neither of those leaders is head of State of a country with strong Orthodox influence,I doubt very much if they worry about or respect the opinions of the Orthodox church.Frankly,Bush's attitude to the whole Iraq conflict makes me wonder how he can reconcile it with his alleged christianity.The Catholic church may carry a good number of supporters in America,but its opinion doesn't wield enough electoral clout to be of interest to the White House.

Bush's faith holds much water in American's eyes. Please don't attack his faith.

[Pick]

Originally posted by taranaki


It is however,very Christian to embark on crusades.But that,in my opinion,doesn't make it right.

That is not true. I have always been taught that God works his way into lif and doesn't have to be forced by others. These 'crusades' you speak of are merely christians witnessing to others the way God has worked in their lives nad will work in others.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by Pick


That is not true. I have always been taught that God works his way into lif and doesn't have to be forced by others. These 'crusades' you speak of are merely christians witnessing to others the way God has worked in their lives nad will work in others.

you are looking at the wrong definition of crusades there Pick.The term first gained popularity in the Middle Ages.

In the year 1095, people were shocked in Western Europe by the words of Pope Urban II, "The Muslims have conquered Jerusalem". The Muslims forbade Christians and pilgrims to come to Jerusalem to pray. Pope Urban wanted the Christians to retake Jerusalem from the Muslims. People shouted "God wills it". All over France these were the words of the Christians.

The French, German, and Italians were the European Christians that went on Crusades. The word Crusade meant "a war of the cross". During the first Crusade (1095-1097) most of the knights died of hunger, thirst or disease.

[Pick]

Originally posted by taranaki


you are looking at the wrong definition of crusades there Pick.The term first gained popularity in the Middle Ages.

In the year 1095, people were shocked in Western Europe by the words of Pope Urban II, "The Muslims have conquered Jerusalem". The Muslims forbade Christians and pilgrims to come to Jerusalem to pray. Pope Urban wanted the Christians to retake Jerusalem from the Muslims. People shouted "God wills it". All over France these were the words of the Christians.

The French, German, and Italians were the European Christians that went on Crusades. The word Crusade meant "a war of the cross". During the first Crusade (1095-1097) most of the knights died of hunger, thirst or disease.

Oh, OK I understand.