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Old 04-16-2003, 01:21 PM
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Again, you are overstating and generalizing the situation. Politically it is unpopular to some people. To others it's just fine. And you're mostly speaking of our foreign policy in a specific area of the world, most of our politics are not in question.

I am not attacking your point of view on our politics or it's validity, I am simply asking you to reavelaute your statements that generalize a portion of the world's disapproval of a small portion of our foreign policy into the ridiculous blanket statement that "America is unpopular". America is hugely popular, and this is also true regarding most of our politics. It's not until you start talking about our policies in the Middle East that people start getting offended, and again it's only some people. I have friends in France, Russia, England and other places that wholeheartedly agree with what we are doing. More so than I do in fact.
fact is that i don't mean that its VASTLY unpopular its increasingly unpopular especially in the middle east and have you been outside of your country recently? I think you largely underestimate the lack of respect most people feel towards america
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fact is that i don't mean that its VASTLY unpopular its increasingly unpopular especially in the middle east and have you been outside of your country recently? I think you largely underestimate the lack of respect most people feel towards america
Disrespect towards what? Our foreign policy? Our government? Our culture? Our people? It seems as if other countries show disrespect towards us, but when have we ever gone as far as to burn another country's flag? The only country we have recently chastised is France.
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I agree with NSX-R-SSJ20K: if you know the great resentment people have against the U.S., you will not really say that the U.S. is popular. Insofar as getting jobs, it is still quite one of the choice destinations, but that doesn't necessarily mean the people who go there admire the U.S. More often than not, it is more out of necessity than actual admiration. But insofar as admiration is concerned, more and more resent, or beginning to resent, the U.S. Bush is only making this resentment grow with his actions. If his advisers insist on a war with Syria, the U.S. will become even more isolated, and Britain might even rethink its position if that ever comes.
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I agree with NSX-R-SSJ20K: if you know the great resentment people have against the U.S., you will not really say that the U.S. is popular. Insofar as getting jobs, it is still quite one of the choice destinations, but that doesn't necessarily mean the people who go there admire the U.S. More often than not, it is more out of necessity than actual admiration. But insofar as admiration is concerned, more and more resent, or beginning to resent, the U.S. Bush is only making this resentment grow with his actions. If his advisers insist on a war with Syria, the U.S. will become even more isolated, and Britain might even rethink its position if that ever comes.
I don't think we will see a war with Syria. I also disagree with you. Do you think the world would be better of with or without the U.S.? And I think this 'resentment' is jealousy on the part of most European countries.
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I don't think we will see a war with Syria.
Yet. And yet the hawkish advisers of Bush constantly whisper that war with those against the U.S. is good. I think we'll see a war with either Syria or Iran in the months to come.

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Does the world revolve around the U.S.? I think not. So would the world be better off without it? If the world was able to survive without the U.S. for more than 18 centures, the world will still go on if the U.S. disappeared today.

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And I think this 'resentment' is jealousy on the part of most European countries.
It might actually be true if it's only European nations, but it's not just them. It might be true if their standard of living is unnervingly pathetic. As it is, it's not. So what jealousy is there then?
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Yet. And yet the hawkish advisers of Bush constantly whisper that war with those against the U.S. is good. I think we'll see a war with either Syria or Iran in the months to come.
Really? Damn I need to visit the White House more often, I didn't know the average Joe got to overhear Oval Office conversations so easily

We will not go to war with Syria or Iran anytime soon, unless something horrible happens directly implicating those countries as having attacked us. The American people won't stand for it. You seem to be forgetting that many people in the government would love to make a case for this administration being on a warpath, and they would bury Bush in a landslide of public opinion if he even suggested another conflict right now.
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If Mr Bush wants control of Syria,he will take it,but only when he can steer public opinion behind him.To achieve that,he simply has to wait for the next terrorist attack on troop positions in Iraq,and then jump up and down saying'gosh darn,those pesky Syrians are harbouring terrorists,and they're not very democratic either..........'

It worked for Iraq,nobody gave a toss about Saddam until they were told to.
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Really? Damn I need to visit the White House more often, I didn't know the average Joe got to overhear Oval Office conversations so easily
There are 2 groups in the White House who are trying to get the President's attention: the neocons and the liberals. Right now the neocons are winning this fight, with the war in Iraq, and they're now leaning on going to war with Syria as well. So far Bush has resisted this advice, but the neocons will get their way. Most of their lot hold key positions within the government (Rumsfield is one of them, incidentally).
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Your attitude sucks and is that of an extremely hard lined toughed up useless ignorant oblivious arrogant fool. Surely you can see that the US is fast becoming the least popular country in the world today.
Your name-calling only makes this situation worse. Let me say this, I will change my wording: You are ignorant about who George W. Bush is, what he is about, and why he does the things he does. So you have a bone to pick with him because of his mannerisms? You sound like a damn grammar school administrator. Get over your 'attitude' and stop bashing a man because of the way he talks and stands.
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Hey i got nothing against the US i just don't like the way George W Bush is behaving during the war it seems irresponsible to me.

I also pointed out that people may still seek to go to America but they still will disagree with its government and the way it conducts itself

Politically it is Unpopular. For living, learning and Working it is popular but this does not mean that these people like being there for any other reason. If you look at it its a nice piece of land with opportunity but otherwise people disagree with its politics.
WHY IN THE HECK DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO APPEASE EVERYBODY? Somebody tell me. Is it because act in our and other's best interest? Or because we are the world's only superpower? Somebody tell me their country has never acted in its best interest.
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There are 2 groups in the White House who are trying to get the President's attention: the neocons and the liberals. Right now the neocons are winning this fight, with the war in Iraq, and they're now leaning on going to war with Syria as well. So far Bush has resisted this advice, but the neocons will get their way. Most of their lot hold key positions within the government (Rumsfield is one of them, incidentally).
And who are these neo-cons and what do they stand for?
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Neo-con = neo-conservative. NSX makes it sound as though there are two warring factions inside our government, and no moderates anywhere. That these two factions are responsible for all of the policy making and hold all the cards, while the 280 million living here are simply subject to them.

The truth is a long ways from that. Most people in the government are extremely moderate, and the populace holds powerful sway over both policy and decision making.
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Neo-con = neo-conservative. NSX makes it sound as though there are two warring factions inside our government, and no moderates anywhere. That these two factions are responsible for all of the policy making and hold all the cards, while the 280 million living here are simply subject to them.

The truth is a long ways from that. Most people in the government are extremely moderate, and the populace holds powerful sway over both policy and decision making.
Right on. Nice post.
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