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[notsofast]

Originally Posted by WaZzZuPpP

New shots, at least for me, from Silverstone 1997: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...997-05-11.html

Thanks. That's even more significant seeing as though both the short tail and the longtail raced together in the same race. Never knew that. Would've liked to seen what the comparable laptimes were.

[Peloton25]

#18R wearing its Hollywood livery at Autódromo de Brasília back in 1996.



Image by rogeriorclima on Instagram with a much younger version of him in the frame.

Slightly different version here.

>8^)
ER

[Sami Aaltonen]

Nice to have some new rare images of those days.

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by notsofast

Thanks. That's even more significant seeing as though both the short tail and the longtail raced together in the same race. Never knew that. Would've liked to seen what the comparable laptimes were.

Yes they did, actually in Helsinki we saw MVR #06R in friday pre-practise session if I remember right but they didn't run saturday or sunday. Coming Le Mans was the reason.

[Sami Aaltonen]

Some new images from Helsinki?

http://www.racingimages.fi/gallery.php?eid=202&page=1

And have these allready seen?
http://www.86400.fr/photos/category/...icard-1995-bpr

[hurstg01]

Old to me but may be new to some

[Sami Aaltonen]

Yep that's what I thought, but never be sure than not.

[Peloton25]

A photographer on Facebook by the name of Stephane Cavoit has some excellent shots from the past few decades of sports car racing including some gems from the years when McLaren GTRs were storming the tracks. You can scroll through and pick out the good ones here:

https://www.facebook.com/stephane.cavoit/photos

>8^)
ER

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

A photographer on Facebook by the name of Stephan Cavoit has some excellent shots from the past few decades of sports car racing including some gems from the years when McLaren GTRs were storming the tracks. You can scroll through and pick out the good ones here:

https://www.facebook.com/stephane.cavoit/photos

>8^)
ER

OH My what a #16R image there were from Le Mans!!!!!

There is so much images, how much there is images!
HOw it could sorted out just GTR McLarens out of it.
Take a closer look this one; Le Mans 1996, #16R's number and #17R's painting.... Interesting.

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by Sami Aaltonen

Take a closer look this one; Le Mans 1996, #16R's number and #17R's painting.... Interesting.

That happened during pre-qualifying for the 96 Le Mans race. There are a few examples of this and of course at the time #16R was wearing 39. This was the reason why #18R used to carry the number 39 on its livery up until a few years ago when Roger was able to convince them to change it.

>8^)
ER

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

That happened during pre-qualifying for the 96 Le Mans race. There are a few examples of this and of course at the time #16R was wearing 39. This was the reason why #18R used to carry the number 39 on its livery up until a few years ago when Roger was able to convince them to change it.

>8^)
ER

OK something like that I thought.
Thanks!

[cabrio92]

Hi,

the forum is quiet theses days, so i open the debat I started on McLF1 thread :

"1998 GTR Euroserie was cancelled after 5 races, #22R was leading this championship, can we consider it won the championship ?"

Wikipedia says :

Following the 1996 BPR Global GT Series season, the FIA chose to promote the championship to a more international status and revamp the series into the FIA GT Championship. This was due to the increased amount of manufacturer support from the series, with makes including Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Lotus, Panoz, and Chrysler. This increase in manufacturer input escalated the cost of being competitive in the series, driving various privateer teams out of the Championship.
At the same time, the FIA began to shorten events in the schedule. While most races in 1997 remained at four hours as they had been during BPR, others were shortened to just three hours. This was further revamped in 1998 as all events, besides the Suzuka 1000km, were run for only 500 kilometers, averaging under three hours per race.
Believing that the FIA GT Championship was moving away from the BPR Global GT Series' ideals for grand tourer racing, the Peter Organisation chose to create a new championship in 1998 as an alternative to FIA GT. This series would return to some of the concepts of BPR, such as all events being four hours in length. The series would also have a ban on direct manufacturer input, leaving the series open to small private teams who could not easily compete in the high-cost FIA GT series.
The new GTR Euroseries would also bring back some of the class structure that had been used in BPR. Besides allowing the GT1 and GT2 classes from FIA GT, the GT3 and GT4 classes also returned. These classes would be composed of cars from one-make series, such as the Porsche Supercup, Ferrari Challenge, or Venturi Trophy. Because these cars were much closer to their street legal counterparts, they were an even cheaper alternative to the GT1 and GT2 classes.
[edit]1998 season

The first round of the season in Jarama had twenty competitors appearing, with at least two cars in each class. The first race was easily won by a GT1 class competitor, Thomas Bscher, using a McLaren F1 GTR, a car which still competed in FIA GT Championship. However, the next round at Paul Ricard would not feature the McLaren, and instead the GT1 class was left with only a Porsche 911 GT2 Evo. GT2 class was the most prevalent, with nine competitors, while the GT4 class also had a variety of machines.
By the third round of the season, the series mostly became a competition with the GT2 and GT4 classes, of which most of the competitors used Porsches. A mere 12 entrants showed at Misano, while only ten arrived at the Nürburgring. The series saw some revival in its final round of the season at Spa-Francorchamps, as 19 cars were entered, but the field still consisted mostly of GT2 and GT4 teams.
During the 1998 season, the FIA GT Championship announced their plans to eliminate their GT1 class due to the high cost of the machines which ran it and the dominance of Mercedes-Benz in the Championship. This left only the smaller GT2 class, of which only Chrysler ran a factory squad. Believing the smaller FIA GT Championship would be more open to privateer teams in 1999 and due to a lack of competitors during the 1998 season, the GTR Euroseries was cancelled after five rounds due to a lack of teams entering and no desire to run a separate series in 1999.

Here are the results :

Bscher / Lees did first at Jarama 4 hours race
did not entered Paul ricard, Misano & Nurburgring races
did not finish Spa race

So, on french Wikipedia you can read #22R won the championship.

What do you think about that ?

Phil

[Peloton25]

Is there really much glory in claiming the win of a cancelled Championship especially when you only won a single race, didn't participate in three, and failed to finish the last? I'm not seeing a lot of value in that.

>8^)
ER

[cabrio92]

You can see from both angles.

On one you're right, on the other, I don't like the word "cancelled" in this case because 5 races occured and you can cancel races which are done. I prefer to say they stop the series but 5 races were done and on the 5 races, #22R apeared to win overall.

I would like to ask details to Peter organisation but they didn't answer me on something else.

[rjanot]

Peter Auto will organize a race called "BPR revival" at Paul Ricard racetrack on October 5-6. Hope that the number of entrants will be large....
www.dixmilletours.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=94&It emid=98&lang=fr