And God said "let there be light,"...

[Philosopher]

Originally posted by ChuckH


I can't say I agree with the fogs only being used with the main headlights. Just because the government and PIAA say it's right doesn't mean that's the best way. The idea of the foglights is to cut through the fog and not allow the light to reflect back at you. Turning on the main lights causes the reflections you're trying to avoid and defeats the purpose. I'll use mine without thank you! This is common knowledge and the reason why other countries (the smart ones) have cars with foglights that can be run without the headlights on.

Indeed times 3. I'm totally with you on this one.

Sychro, Will, Goth, Moby, Pika and I (towing my camper!) drove through a blizzard on I-81 last winter that turned our 1.5 hr. drive into a 4 hr. drive. We made a train of 6 trucks so people could see us better. 18 Wheelers were passing us (!!!) as we drove down the interstate @ 30 MPH in 4WD. Cars were going even slower, pulling over where ever they could. It was absolutely crazy. Near zero visability. We needed light focused on the road right in front of us, not a few feet forward where all you could see was snow coming down. I still haven't done it yet but I plan on wiring my fogs to work independently of all my other lights (which is how I like to wire lights in general) because having the low beams on in that situation just made it worse.

[rrdstarr]

I make four trips to Montana and usually two of them are in blinding snow storms! Fogs are the only thing that will penetrate the blinding swirl! Most of the time you can't see the road just the Median in the middle! I also wear yellow Oakleys to help cut the glare!

[Xcanuk]

One of the easiest things for any condition, a pair of smith's with 3 lenses, yellow, orange and dark... helps me day or night to cut the glare.

[Schludwiller]

I used the quote from PIAA regarding the use of fogs and driver beams in relation to your headlight settings. i.e. driving lights aren't supposed to be used in traffic, but fogs can be used in conjunction with low-beams.

If you want to switch your losing argument from needing more light on the road, to less that's fine.

I agree it's nice to have the ability to turn the mains off when those times occur that fogs are needed and the headlights are causing too much reflection. That doesn't happen too much here though. More often I need yellow fogs to help visability in rain.

[ChuckH]

Originally posted by Schludwiller
I used the quote from PIAA regarding the use of fogs and driver beams in relation to your headlight settings. i.e. driving lights aren't supposed to be used in traffic, but fogs can be used in conjunction with low-beams.

If you want to switch your losing argument from needing more light on the road, to less that's fine.

I agree it's nice to have the ability to turn the mains off when those times occur that fogs are needed and the headlights are causing too much reflection. That doesn't happen too much here though. More often I need yellow fogs to help visability in rain.

You know, I'm still going to kick your ass next time I see you!

Remember the winter of '99 when we had about two weeks of constant soupy fog? That was my first winter with the X and I couldn't see more than a couple feet in front of me at night in that messy fog. I was literally driving by the brail method and following along the edge of the pavement a few times at about 5 MPH. Once I adjusted the headlight away from the aimed at space mode I could see a few more feet, but I sure could have used some real foglights. Generally, you're right though and rain is the biggest concern. It will be nice having lights that can cut through the rain.

Oh, and how do you figure I'm losing the argument? Is that the "new math" everyone is talking about?

One more thing: I have another bumper mod that I'm working on and you would probably be interested in Rick knows what it is, but we're not going to tell you until you help me put the AAL's on! Hehehehe!!!
:apoke:

[rrdstarr]

These lights are totally kick ass and complement the stock running lights very well! I drove down Hwy 18 tonight after Master Electrician ChuckH did the install. The fogs have a very wide and low beam and light the sides of the road well. I didn't test the drive beams out because it's a public highway. Maybe tomorrow evening I can find a good logging road nearby to drive on?