body alignment issues please help.

[j cAT]

Originally Posted by DJShyn3

I have a question

WHO IS BETTER TO GO TO? A BODY FRAME SHOP WITH? A 3 dimensional measuring system with 4 point anchoring system $120 FLAT FOR 2HR, OR A BODY FRAME SHOP WITH LASER EQUIPPED FRAME MACHINE AT $75/HR (3 HOUR JOB)
Anyone has been to any of those 2 and would recommend for me for this problem?

Thanks

I would explain that you want to have them determine if the vehicle needs any body support / frame work ...then give the reasonb why you feel this is the reason you are in need of this..

when they lift the vehicle they will inspect all the componets we here at the forum mentioned ..if any are defective they will repair..after all this is done then the frame machine should be used to check the geometery of the frame for distortions...

start talking price on repairs etc...after they give it a 15-20 min inspection !

[DJShyn3]

Originally Posted by j cAT

I would explain that you want to have them determine if the vehicle needs any body support / frame work ...then give the reasonb why you feel this is the reason you are in need of this..

when they lift the vehicle they will inspect all the componets we here at the forum mentioned ..if any are defective they will repair..after all this is done then the frame machine should be used to check the geometery of the frame for distortions...

start talking price on repairs etc...after they give it a 15-20 min inspection !

Thanks got you on that
BUT there two types of frame machine that I have found here close to my my place, as I mentioned one is A 3 dimensional measuring system with 4 point anchoring system OR A BODY FRAME SHOP WITH LASER EQUIPPED FRAME MACHINE? now which one would give the best result if a frame is damaged?

[Blue Bowtie]

In my experience it isn't the equipment that makes the difference but the technician. A brand new, state of the art, fully automatic and computerized piece of equipment is only as good as the operator. Too often the equipment becomes a crutch.

A technician with a good set of tables, a little understanding of what he/she is doing, and a tape measure can do a better job than the brand new whiz-bang POS machine with a lazy, untrained, or incapable operator. People used to get frames and bodies nearly perfect and would even correct factory defects on the old Bear machines with movable jigs, mechanical gauge pins, and plain old scales. Some of the "straight" bodies coming out of repair these days eat tires and wheel bearings in 10,000 miles, ride like a porpoise in a tropical storm, run down the road like a kicked dog, and steer on dry pavement like a kid's Big Wheel on wet ice.

Ask around your area for who is and isn't satisfied. Check with some local body shops to see where they send their subcontract frame work and why. You'll probably find that the type of equipment is secondary.

[j cAT]

I AGREE ...with you on this "which one".

lasers or the older machine will do the job very accuately if the operator is careful in his use of these devices..

which has the better customer satisfaction is the choice factor..

[Blt2Lst]

Originally Posted by Blue Bowtie

A technician with a good set of tables, a little understanding of what he/she is doing, and a tape measure can do a better job than the brand new whiz-bang POS machine.

That's all it should take..

Originally Posted by Blue Bowtie

brand new whiz-bang POS machine.

I think they call this progress..:sarcasm1:

[Scrapper]

[quote=Blue Bowtie;6387682]In my experience it isn't the equipment that makes the difference but the technician. A brand new, state of the art, fully automatic and computerized piece of equipment is only as good as the operator. Too often the equipment becomes a crutch.

A technician with a good set of tables, a little understanding of what he/she is doing, and a tape measure can do a better job than the brand new whiz-bang POS machine with a lazy, untrained, or incapable operator. People used to get frames and bodies nearly perfect and would even correct factory defects on the old Bear machines with movable jigs, mechanical gauge pins, and plain old scales. Some of the "straight" bodies coming out of repair these days eat tires and wheel bearings in 10,000 miles, ride like a porpoise in a tropical storm, run down the road like a kicked dog, and steer on dry pavement like a kid's Big Wheel on wet ice.

Ask around your area for who is and isn't satisfied. Check with some local body shops to see where they send their subcontract frame work and why. You'll probably find that the type of equipment is secondary.[/quote/]

you got that rite on knowing how to use machine and being albe to fix it to. and our ASE patch and paper don't mean shit if you cant do the job.

[DJShyn3]

Do you guys think if I buy this kit here
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...PackageDeal052
Would I get a better over all handling and control? The car has never been replaced with any of these parts, so do you think it would be worth it if I get that kit and replace it all?
Thanks