Brunei F1 update...

[Peloton25]

I don't follow the Brunei collection that closely. You'll want to pose that question to basman007 when he gets back. I heard recently he was having computer issues, but he's the real Brunei Collection historian.

>8^)
ER

[basman007]

Yeah, so it cost me a new pc, but it's all running properly again Except for the organising part! everything is in alfabetical order now ugh...

So... Gullum. He seems like an interesting guy. He may have some new information. But he didn't reply to my email and pm... If I add up the posts he made with widely known facts and a few mistakes (not in the F1 posts) I'm not totally convinced yet. I'm not saying he's fake, just that we can;t confirm anything he said... It would be great if it was all genuine, I wish he'd contact me

specials in NZ... nope, don;'t recall any, but a bunch of the more normal cars ended up there. I've got over 20 recorded cars there. My update will feature a few cars from NZ iirc (will start after this weekend).]

cars for sale... don't think it's some kind of dump there with desperate people. the specials aren't actively offered for sale. a handfull of the normal cars are. quite alot of cars from this era are still being used. there have been negotations about an F1 btw, didn't work out though. everything in this world is for sale, but only for the right price and the right contacts.

[hurstg01]

He's back!!

[basman007]

Originally Posted by hurstg01

He's back!!

Hope you guys are doing good!

[Thorst13]

Please, let the GT find it's way to my garage......

[tentacles1]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/243522/

If these are falling out of the collection, can only hope an F1 or two might be next.

[hurstg01]

Apparentky, they are being sold by the ex sponsors of the Aguri Suzuki F1 team who apparently never paid up

[BRX880]

Originally Posted by tentacles1

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/243522/
If these are falling out of the collection, can only hope an F1 or two might be next.

Both cars were on display at the "Automobilmanufactur" in Singapore for years now.
So they didn't just pop up!
Furthermore, I don't think that both cars had ever something to do with Brunei by looking at their vin's and production years.
They are both very late production cars, and just because they are both RHD and the Roadster has a fancy colour combo doesn't mean, that one can link them to Brunei automatically...

[GTI WR6]

If you want to see the pics of the CLK GTR and the CLK GTR roadster, head over to:

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...217&bottom=970

I've shared the pics I've taken of the cars during my Singapore visit with basman007. Saw F1 #18 and #65 (correct me if I am wrong) there as well when I was at the showroom.

[basman007]

Originally Posted by GTI WR6

If you want to see the pics of the CLK GTR and the CLK GTR roadster, head over to:

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...217&bottom=970

I've shared the pics I've taken of the cars during my Singapore visit with basman007. Saw F1 #18 and #65 (correct me if I am wrong) there as well when I was at the showroom.

Do you know if 18 was there in 2005?

[basman007]

Originally Posted by BRX880

Both cars were on display at the "Automobilmanufactur" in Singapore for years now.
So they didn't just pop up!
Furthermore, I don't think that both cars had ever something to do with Brunei by looking at their vin's and production years.
They are both very late production cars, and just because they are both RHD and the Roadster has a fancy colour combo doesn't mean, that one can link them to Brunei automatically...

I've been puzzling with these new records for a few hours. It's a rather strange timeline, but in theory it could be true. I've got a small GTR registry and it fits in there as well.
RM has made mistakes before, but even though the coupe specs appear to be incorrect, I think the years are correct. I can also back everything up with photo's.
That leaves us with the question who the prominent collector is. Could still be Brunei. Can't come up with anyone else at this moment...

[GTI WR6]

I dont think 18 was there in 2005. The first time I saw it was in Sept/Oct 2006 in Singapore Automobil Manufactur.

[Peloton25]

Was looking around on SC.net today, and wandered into our friend basman007's galleries where I stumbled across these four images that I certainly don't recall seeing before, or discussing here previously. Correct me if wrong, please?

These are in the 'Brunei' -> 'McLaren' section and he has these labeled "McLaren F1 GTR" which should imply they are GTR #09R.



Assuming that he's correct, then they now bring my total shots of this car up to only 5 () which is I am sure true for most of the rest of you as well (...unless you are holding out on us? ).

For those who didn't know the story, Ron Dennis did not want to sell the actual car that won the 24Hr race, so McLaren instead built a replica of the LeMans winner to satisfy their best customers.

They are obviously screengrabs from a video shot inside the factory, but I am having difficulty in recalling which video they came from? Can anyone place it? I also don't recognize the presenter/possible McLaren insider in those two shots at all. I think Sebas is probably correct, but it could depend on the timing of when this footage was shot, if anyone knows that too?

Pre-Qualifying for LeMans was held April 30th, 1995, and then the race was held June 18th, 1995 - so during that window of time, chassis #01R might have also looked a lot like the car in these shots as it underwent its livery change. The one piece of evidence in the shots that I can see which sort of ruins any theory of it being #01R is how exceptionally clean that suspension arm and brake disc are. Also, didn't the 1995 GTRs use carbon discs for the longer races like LeMans? Pretty sure they did, and #01R was wearing a set when displayed at ASI 2007. If they were setting up #01R in those shots, I suspect it would have them on already instead of a clean set of steel ones.

Anyone have additional thoughts on these I didn't catch? Or better yet, would you want to smack me upside the head with a link to where we talked about them previously; please and thank you?

>8^)
ER


PS: Added a link to this thread to the "Best of the Best" thread sticky at the top of the forum underneath the link to the original Brunei thread so it will be easier to locate for newbies in the future.

[Peloton25]

This just got embarassing...

Just went to put these images away in a folder I keep video screengrabs in, and I happened to skim the thumbnails and have all 4 of these shots already.

So, perhaps not new for anyone here, but maybe new in the sense that the #09R connection hadn't been made before? Or am I just forgetful.

Go easy on me now...

>8^)
ER

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

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For those who didn't know the story, Ron Dennis did not want to sell the actual car that won the 24Hr race, so McLaren instead built a replica of the LeMans winner to satisfy their best customers.

They are obviously screengrabs from a video shot inside the factory, but I am having difficulty in recalling which video they came from? Can anyone place it? I also don't recognize the presenter/possible McLaren insider in those two shots at all. I think Sebas is probably correct, but it could depend on the timing of when this footage was shot, if anyone knows that too?

Pre-Qualifying for LeMans was held April 30th, 1995, and then the race was held June 18th, 1995 - so during that window of time, chassis #01R might have also looked a lot like the car in these shots as it underwent its livery change. The one piece of evidence in the shots that I can see which sort of ruins any theory of it being #01R is how exceptionally clean that suspension arm and brake disc are. Also, didn't the 1995 GTRs use carbon discs for the longer races like LeMans? Pretty sure they did, and #01R was wearing a set when displayed at ASI 2007. If they were setting up #01R in those shots, I suspect it would have them on already instead of a clean set of steel ones.

Anyone have additional thoughts on these I didn't catch? Or better yet, would you want to smack me upside the head with a link to where we talked about them previously; please and thank you?

>8^)
ER

Now this superb detail news!
The case of #01R gets even more intresting!
Very, VERY VERY glad to hear Ron Dennis decision! It would had been horrible mistake to sell #01R! I have heard how much McLren rispects it's history on Motor sport and that's why atleast I would be very supriced if they had sell the real #01R.

Very glad that they did a look like version of it, the chassis #09R. Very glad indeed!