Illegal Aliens Caught on Trail Cams

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

No but Americans have high rates of rape domestic voilence and murdering there own relatives (children murdering there parents and vice versa) etc...

Am I right?

Pretty scary place, man. Maybe you should go to a safer place.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

I don't know, are you right? What are your sources? Obviously they're committing rape and murder in Mexico - where do you hear that it happens more in the US than in other places? And if it does happen more in the US, why does that mean we should let illegals into our country? What does one have to do with the other?

Either way - all countries have their own criminals to deal with. The US gets the added bonus of dealing with Mexico's criminals who come mixed in with the millions of illegals. And we have no records of these criminals. No birth certificates, no state ID's, nothing. They are here anonymously and we have no way of knowing who or where they are.

Ok I see your point and 03cavPA's point as well. You're both right and I was not thinking of the consequences of letting these illegals in.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by bagwanshrirashnish

Pretty scary place, man. Maybe you should go to a safer place.

Yup. Dubai it is....

[thegladhatter]

Adios! You'll be missed. ...but not much.

[HotZ28]

Do we need border security or not, and does Obama care enough to do anything?

Hezbollah Smuggling Across U.S.-Mexican Border

America’s porous southern border is an entry point for more than Mexican cartels and their illegal drugs — the Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah has been smuggling drugs and people into the U.S. as well.

Hezbollah has long been involved in narcotics and human trafficking in South America, and is now using the same routes into the U.S. that the Mexican cartels use for smuggling, according to an exclusive report in The Washington Times.

The group relies on “the same criminal weapons smugglers, document traffickers, and transportation experts as the drug cartels,” said Michael Braun, who recently retired as assistant administrator and chief of operations at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. “They work together. They rely on the same shadow facilitators. One way or another, they are all connected,” he said.

Hezbollah, which fought a 34-day war with Israel in 2006, funds its operations in part from a large Lebanese Muslim diaspora, and some of that funding comes from criminal enterprises.

Salim Boughader Mucharrafille, a Mexican of Lebanese descent, was arrested in 2002 for smuggling 200 people, including Hezbollah supporters, into the U.S. He was sentenced last year to 60 years in a Mexican prison. But the cross-border flow of drugs and people has intensified since the U.S. reduced access to the country by air and water following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. And the drug wars between the cartels have claimed the lives of more than 8,000 people since January 2008, destabilizing Mexico along the border and prompting President Barack Obama to send additional agents there.

Adm. James Stavridis, commander of U.S. Southern Command, recently told a House committee that the connection between drug traffickers and “Islamic radical terrorism” is a growing threat to the U.S. Braun said members of the Quds force of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have been operating in South America and “could be commanding and controlling Hezbollah’s criminal enterprises from there.”
And a senior U.S. defense official said that in addition to Hezbollah,
al-Qaida could also use the Mexican cartels’ trafficking routes to smuggle operatives into the U.S.

“The Mexican cartels have no loyalty to anyone,” another official told the Times. “They will willingly or unknowingly aid other nefarious groups’ [entry] into the U.S. through the routes they control. It has already happened. That’s why the border is such a serious national security issue.”

[wade623]

i hate how they want you to speak spanish to get a job here come on this is america people. i looked at the right to work posters and they are in spanish too. stop making everything in english an spanish that should help. and another thing is they need to do more aboout the ones already here not just stop them from coming here

[fredjacksonsan]

I think the Arizona rancher is a hero. Before you jump down my throat, because:

The way things are right now, they are crossing the border illegally. No problem whatsoever IMO that someone comes here to make a better life, just do it the legal way.

If the system changes and allows open borders, then it will be fine. But for now, things are the way they are and the rancher is only protecting his own property. Did anyone read the entire article? Trash 10" thick on his trails. Vehicles stolen, house broken into. He even put a spigot on his water tank so they could have some - at no charge.

Why did he give insults? Hmm, maybe because he was outnumbered 14 to 1 and had to control the trespassers with whatever means he had at his disposal? He would have been within his rights had a US citizen been trespassing on his land. This is a BS case and illegals in the act of committing a crime on foreign soil should have no rights to sue a citizen of the country they're invading.

Apologies if this has already been hashed to death.

[GForce957]

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Apologies if this has already been hashed to death.

Nope. I agree with you. If the feds won't police the border and he's left to defend his own land, then so be it. It's his property.

The activists would like very much for all of us to stop talking about it and hope it will go away so they can keep coming across the border until they all get amnesty.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he shot them all and buried them in a pit filled with the trash they've left on his land. If they stayed home, he wouldn't have to deal with them.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

Nope. I agree with you. If the feds won't police the border and he's left to defend his own land, then so be it. It's his property.

The activists would like very much for all of us to stop talking about it and hope it will go away so they can keep coming across the border until they all get amnesty.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he shot them all and buried them in a pit filled with the trash they've left on his land. If they stayed home, he wouldn't have to deal with them.

Problem is...that if you're nice to a group, the word doesn't spread. And if you are nasty to a group, then word only spreads in the US but not to future groups south of the border. There's just no communication or continuity, every group is its own new entity and has to be treated as such.

[HotZ28]

Obama Reverses Bush Rule: Illegals Now Get Lawyers

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. yesterday overturned a Bush administration ruling in January that immigrants do not have a constitutional right to effective legal counsel in deportation proceedings.

In vacating the decision his predecessor, Michael B. Mukasey, issued two weeks before President George W. Bush left office, Holder restored one of the most common grounds cited by immigrants for appealing removal orders: that their attorneys were incompetent.

The nation's immigration courts are separate from the judicial branch and operate under the Justice Department, which makes the U.S. attorney general the final arbiter for immigration proceedings. Immigrants are not entitled to public defenders but can hire their own lawyers. Immigrants can appeal deportation rulings to the federal court system, and thousands have, relying on legal precedent established by the immigration courts in 1988 and reaffirmed in 2003.

However, during Bush's second term, the Justice Department argued in the federal courts that neither the Constitution nor any federal law or regulation "entitles an alien to a do-over if his initial removal proceeding is prejudiced by the mistakes of a privately retained lawyer," as Mukasey wrote.

The Bush Justice Department argued successfully in recent years against that right, winning decisions covering the U.S. Courts of Appeals for the 4th and 8th circuits. If there is no constitutional right to counsel in immigration cases, there is no such right to effective counsel, Mukasey ruled.

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