ebay seller : bboykorea

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by jano11

Once the kit is accepted by the postal service it's their job to get it to the other end of the world in one piece.

You still didn't tell me what kind of packaging is strong enough.
Let's say it will be the lowest package in a pile of 10 packages each o those above it weighing only 2 kgs. Will it resist to 18 kgs? Maybe, under a static charge, but what if the lorry with the packages goes over a bump or something or what if the one on top of it is smaller and will brake the top of the cardboard box the kit is packed in?! How strong does that box need to be in order to be 100% sure it get's to you in good shape?

My point is that once someone brings a package to the post, it writes "Fragile" all over it and it pays for it to be delivered to the other side of the world, well it's not anymore up to him if someone will brake it.
Given that 98% of them arrived OK tells me that the 2% of broken or lost items are accidents that happen during the handling of the package.

This is my opinion, even after receiving squashed kits wrapped in paper sent from only 30 kms away, after getting paper wrapped kits in good shape from the other side of the world and also after getting squashed kits tat were packed in a cardboard box!

PS: What I find funny is how people went on and bought kits from him long after this thread existed, and than they come here and start moaning.

So are you saying that the seller is not responsible at all once the item has been paid for?
Are you saying that a bit of bubble wrap inside a soft cardboard box is sufficient protection for something that is "fragile"?
Are you saying that the postal service is responsible for badly packaged parcels?

I have stood on HLJ boxes.
I weigh about 60kgs.

Because you missed it again, that is one example of a suitable box that I have given time and time again; the HLJ boxes.
Also, I have previously provided a link to a UK supplier of various packaging boxes.

If you only have hyperbole to rely on for your argument, you are the one who has no case.

[rallymaster]

Originally Posted by jano11

IMO 98% is reality and 250 negatives are relative.

Of course if you inverse all argue into your sens you can only be right...
and after that you don't want to be called "ridiculous" ??

Originally Posted by jano11

250 negative, positive, neutral, white, black, pink, green, whatever you want means nothing, as long you don't put it into a context.

So what and what is this context...??
how can you say that negs number is relative when total amount is only an amount of anything else (+ and - and 0) ???

Originally Posted by jano11

It's like saying that earning 10000 whatever a month is a lot without looking that you need 1 million to buy yourself a house for example.

So that's your famous context ??
No matter the number of negs as long as he keeps a certain positive rate ??
completely no sens...
the amount and final rate only is... the amount of each part of the rate !!
for sure if he increased his negs feedbacks he also increase the total amount (and so final rate) in which negs are dissolved...!!
so what is contextual and what is relative there ????
this argue of final rate definitely has no sens !!
just take a look at sellers who have 2 or 3 times more amount of auctions and... 100 times less negs !!!

Originally Posted by jano11

You do whatever you think it's right for you and I'll do what I think it's right for me (without calling others ridiculous or idiots).

if you don't want to be called ridiculous or idiot don't act like if you were idiot with so ridiculous argument !!


You've been defending all along 8 pages a seller everyone is OK to say he's not reliable and have bad pratice with selling and sending items with no sens arguments so don't be surprised to be seen ridiculous or even idiot even if I personaly don't think you're idiot, but for sure you seem to be because you hardly wants to be right agains all evidences...

[jano11]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

So are you saying that the seller is not responsible at all once the item has been paid for?

NO, once he shipped the goods.It must be the 3rd time I post this.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Are you saying that a bit of bubble wrap inside a soft cardboard box is sufficient protection for something that is "fragile"?

Yes it is, about as sufficient as with a cardboard box but a rather empty box inside. Especially if the package is handled as it should by the post.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Are you saying that the postal service is responsible for badly packaged parcels?

Actually for all the packages they get their hands on!

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I have stood on HLJ boxes.
I weigh about 60kgs.

I tried once to stand on a cardboard box I used for moving from one place to another, one with double walls and it failed miserably. BTW I only weight 10 kgs more than you.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Because you missed it again, that is one example of a suitable box that I have given time and time again; the HLJ boxes.

I didn't miss anything. Saying HLJ box is like saying donut, it doesn't quantify how strong a box needs to be.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Also, I have previously provided a link to a UK supplier of various packaging boxes.

And?! Should I call them up and ask how strong a box needs to be in order to safely contain a plastic kit inside, for about two weeks while it is being tossed around like if it was a brick?

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

If you only have hyperbole to rely on for your argument, you are the one who has no case.

I was expecting numbers from you, as you were giving me the impression that you are a cardboard box specialist, and al I got was a hyperbole about HLJ boxes.

So I'll ask, where is your case? I certainly don't see any facts or numbers coming from you only comparisons with HLJ boxes, like if they were International Standard Measure Units.

[CrateCruncher]

Please folks, we're all friends. Let's try to avoid insulting words and stick to the subject itself.

Jano, no amount of argument will convince others in this thread that BBOY is a good seller including me so please stop trying. It's not going to change anything and you could have a heart attack or something.

I've had some dealings with the US postal system trying to collect on damaged goods claims. They simply will not honor a claim if they deem the packaging insufficient to withstand a "reasonable" amount of static weight and acceleration. I would assume most PO's around the world are the same. They have no idea how effectively the contents are protected by the packer when the parcel is handed to them and should not be liable.

I've bought from HLJ and found their service excellent, their boxes were double corrugated and the contents restrained from shifting etc. But I don't buy from HLJ anymore because I personally think their prices are a bit too high. I've found other sources with equal performance at a better price and that to me means better value.

Value = Service / Price

[jano11]

Originally Posted by CrateCruncher

Jano, no amount of argument will convince others in this thread that BBOY is a good seller including me so please stop trying.

Same goes from my side.

Originally Posted by CrateCruncher

It's not going to change anything

That is obvious.

Originally Posted by CrateCruncher

and you could have a heart attack or something.

If anything this keeps me in good form.


Honestly, I couldn't care less about bboykorea's seller performance. What bothers me is people who pay for peanuts and expect to receive coconuts and than publicly complain about it.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by jano11

al I got was a hyperbole about HLJ boxes.

So I'll ask, where is your case? I certainly don't see any facts or numbers coming from you only comparisons with HLJ boxes, like if they were International Standard Measure Units.

Please point to my hyperbole about HLJ boxes?
If you really want proof, I can try and take a photo of myself standing on a HLJ box.
If you won't accept HLJ boxes because they're perhaps over specified for the job, I have an equally strong Amazon single wall box that can take my weight.
I even have a box that Hiroboy uses that I can stand on for you.

For comparison, how about you take a kit of yours, wrap it up like how this seller did with bubble wrap and you step on it and see what happens?

No quantifiable numbers?
Doesn't my 60 odd kgs on a box count as a figure?

Originally Posted by jano11

Honestly, I couldn't care less about bboykorea's seller performance. What bothers me is people who pay for peanuts and expect to receive coconuts and than publicly complain about it.

but that isn't what is being discussed.
People aren't buying cheaper/worse goods.
They are buying the same goods that are then packaged badly and occasionally broken during posting.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the goods but the quality of the service.

[ZoomZoomMX-5]

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah.

That's all I hear.

Go build a model, instead of spending your life defending something that nobody in the world but yourself will defend. Unless you are the seller in question...

What a bloody waste of time...

[LAPO]

THIS IS A STRANGE SELLER...
As i was informed about the problems caused by his soft packages I prayed him to make a hard box around my 2 1/12 Tamiya Porsches... He did a good job. Then i had many problem with a Hasegawa Cosmo Sport that he sent me (he told me) 3 times... Never received until some days ago after i left a neutral feedback: a ball shrinked green paper with some broken plastic pieces inside.... I suspect that he is not un-honest, but.... not well organised and a little bit... un-smart...

I know that formally the postal service is the only responsible of shipping once the seller give the item to the post office, but if boxes exist and almost every ebayer use them maybe this is for some reason.... I can confirm that his boxes are crazy. I will never buy from him again although i did great bargains with him.

[stevenoble]

Fact is this sellers packaging is 'p**s poor' no one surely can dispute this. If you send a package, inadequately protected, half way around the world and it gets broken it's not the fault of the postal service but the seller, because HE never protected it well enough in the first place. All he needs to do is protect the goods in a strong box. But people argue still "define a strong box" One that stops the stuff getting damaged, simple. Stop splitting hairs over a box.
His feedback score gets no better. Whilst this thread has been active he is still racking up the negatives with 34 in the last month alone. Every page of his feedback ratings are littered with red and grey instead of green. So many negatives do not look good and they certainly do not portray a seller that cares either.

Jano11

I'm not having a personal attack on you or anything but how you can look at those pages upon pages of red negative feedbacks, read why people have given them and still defend BBOY is baffling to me...??

[xpeed]

I think that it's the seller's responsibility to take in context of the abuse the box will go through once it's delivered to the postal or delivery service. The delivery or postal service workers only deliver the package and therefore are not responsible for the damage it goes through unless you specify it to them in the first place to take care of it by putting fragile stickers and stamps all over the box. Only then will it be the postal service or delivery service's fault if they end up damaging the goods or boxes (That is what insurance is for) and such.

If the sender can't do a good job in packaging, then it would be that person's fault in the first place. When I use crappy boxes to send my stuff, I make sure I package it real good by using foam or packaging foam to make sure the good inside comes out okay at the end. I also wrap it in bubble and paper to make sure the weather doesn't get to it as well.

[dieseldub]

Hi,
I´m new to this forum, and almost new to modeling.

Sometime in the past few months I found that this person was selling a kit that I´d like to build in a really good price.

Today I was sucked into this thread, and just for curious wanted to check if he still have kits like that one, but I didnt find him on ebay anymore, so, was he banned from there? And if that is so, I think Im glad to know that, because he p***** off a lot of people stealing their money... But thats just my opinion.

Take care,
B.

[ZoomZoomMX-5]

Banned from Ebay?

Priceless

At least somewhere in the world there is a semblance of sanity.

[INITIAL_SPLIFF]

I guess its not worth sharing my horror story with everyone now this ebay menace has been BANNED, after reading ebays new seller rules i was just waiting for this ass to get his crap bizniz banned.

BUT lets just see where he pops up again under a new name
and does the same thing all over.

With a name like bboykorea i was suspicious
cuz most b boys i know are CRIMS.
rack it up fool

YEEEAAAA BWOOOOY.

HAHAAA.

[jano11]

Originally Posted by INITIAL_SPLIFF

With a name like bboykorea i was suspicious
cuz most b boys i know are CRIMS.
rack it up fool

YEEEAAAA BWOOOOY.

HAHAAA.

Very intelligent!

[INITIAL_SPLIFF]

You must be a b boy as well
Sorry to offend
the truth is often hard to digest.
Or do you just want to get into a debate about hip hop culture?