Big 3 bail out?

[Papaws]

There was a statement made by one of those goverment people.This was that GM's has average hourly rate was something like $1?? an hour and Toyota was only like $43.Now if this is what I heard than why can't you buy a toyota that is comprable to a GM for half the price? Or does Toyota make a better profit so they can can party like AIG? NO AIG no restriction and restriction for the car companys?AIG should have restrictions.Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!!Thanks for reading!

[Gohan Ryu]

You can't buy a Toyota that's comparable to a GM because Toyota doesn't make crappy cars. That's the reason the so-called big 3 are in trouble in the first place. It costs them over $100 an hour to make an inferior product. That's called shitty management.

Whereas Toyota can make a better product for less than half the cost. It's that simple.

[Papaws]

The point is someone in a high office is making millions and a car may last 200,000 miles and get 25Mpg.Where cars in the 1960's cars got 30 mpg with no computers.Ok maybe there is no lead in the gas or whatever. But I a firm beleiver in the fact that any car can get 100mpg or better.I have heard and seen people that have car that get these numbers, by cars that get out by mistake or someone worked on their cars and have Pattens.( car companys buy these to stop the high Mpg) My company truck(ford) says they recomend BP GAS.Do the car and oil companys work together!Most of these things are done for under$100.There are engineers that make thousands of dollars and are not allowed to put them in cars!This is one of the ways the car companys rip us off!

[VR43000GT]

Haha, nah. Car companies do not buy the ideas from somebody who finds out a way to make a 100 mpg car and then not make it. If they for some reason did, they would be a fool not to make it and make billions in sales off of it. The conspiracy theory is wrong. They just didn't make cars that consumers wanted and they did a poor job of building them. That is why they are now in trouble.

[BP2K2Max]

US car companies make shitty use of their resources. what's the point of making the exact same vehicle under three or four different brand names? why have a GMC arcadia, chevy equinox, saturn vue, cadillac SRX and a buick whatever, when deep down they're all the exact same car? make one version of the vehicle under one name and sell it as is. Cadillac makes their CTS with two different engines, one's a 310 hp DI 3.6L V6 that makes better fuel economy and more HP than the 265 hp SEFI version of the same motor. why not just do away with the less efficient motor, do away with 4 of the 5 duplicate vehicles and allocate the money elsewhere and stop frivolously pissing it away.

look at the Japanese competition, nissan uses it's VQ motor in like 9 different vehicles across their 2 brands. why? because it's an awesome motor and with slight changes can be used to accommodate the needs of most consumers depending on if they need an SUV, XUV, family sedan or sports car.

I don't believe that the Big 3 deserve to be bailed out. i'd hate to see so many americans lose their jobs and it'd be a shame to see these legendary companies fall off but if it's truly a free market economy the government needs to step the fuck out and let nature take its course.

[old_master]

There are several major factors that are contributing to the demise of the "Big 3".

1) Government, (Democrat) imposed CAFE standards, (Corporate Average Fuel Economy)

2) The UAW, which everyone knows they're in bed with the Democrats, just as all unions are.

3) Free trade agreement, again, Government, (Democrats) allowing foreign auto manufacturers to flood our market with their crap, stealing our jobs and ruining our economy. They build them here, on our soil! What a slap in the face.

4) Oil dependancy on foreign Nations: Yet again the Government, (Democrats) won't allow us to drill for oil in our own country! Instead, keep sending our money, and jobs, to foreign countries! WTF???

Everything the Democrats get their hands on goes down the toilet. Social Security, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, now the auto industry, and our 401k's are headed for the chopping block. After that will be the military when the "New", "Hope", & "Change" administration takes office. And did you see??? One of his economic advisors is Jennifer Granholm, Governor of the State with the highest unemployment rate and worst economy in the nation, Michigan! She can tell him, from experience, what DOESN'T work. Government has prooved they can't manage money, look at the national deficit, what a joke. What makes them think they can run a car company? Leave them alone! They did fine until the Gov't stepped in. The Government needs to take care of government and leave business to the private sector. That's how capitolism is designed to work. As long as the Democrats stay out of government, and the government stays out of the private sector, things will be fine. There's my 2 cents, take it or leave it!

[Nicole8188]

Originally Posted by old_master

As long as the Democrats stay out of government, and the government stays out of the private sector, things will be fine.

Yeah, because the last 8 years haven't led us to here.

Anyway, I also don't think they should be bailed out. And I completely agree with the fact that American auto companies should consolidate the various models of the same car...maybe they wouldn't be in so much shit if they knew how to use resources.

[Papaws]

What did the Big 3 do to the TUCKER?And why! Because They( BIG3) don't want people to know they can build a better CAR, 60 years later and cars are totaled not rebuilt.Because there junk.Build a stronger car like the 1950's and they will pass a crash test!Yes they were heavier and got 25 mpg.Why is it so hard to understand that they ALREADY have this technology But they support they OIL companys. FORD recomends BP gas.If you can buy a performance chip for your car .They usually get better gas milage.So if carborated cars got 25-30mpg why do the big 3 act like thay can't get better milage.I knew of a1977 Buick wgn with a 455 and a 6spd automatic at 45-50 mpg GM bough it back.

[BP2K2Max]

Originally Posted by old_master

democrat democrat democrat democrat

i don't think it's fair to blame democrats, it was a republican in office for the last 8 years while this shit storm was brewing.

[Knifeblade]

Here's my bitch, the big boys say they'll give up their jets, bonuses, perks, or extras, but now they jack the bailout up $9B for "some" reason".

[old_master]

Originally Posted by BP2K2Max

i don't think it's fair to blame democrats, it was a republican in office for the last 8 years while this shit storm was brewing.

Absolutely 100% correct! Our only saving grace was a Republican President, and he was stone walled by a Democrat House and Senate! Come January 20, all three branches of Government will be democrat... God help us. The Democrat party wasn't founded until 1792, it wasn't even around when the Constitution was written.

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by BP2K2Max

i don't think it's fair to blame democrats, it was a republican in office for the last 8 years while this shit storm was brewing.

I've got to agree with OldMaster on this one BP2K2Max. Not to mention the problem was arising before the past 8 years. In fact, this has been a work in progress for decades.

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by old_master

Absolutely 100% correct! Our only saving grace was a Republican President, and he was stone walled by a Democrat House and Senate! Come January 20, all three branches of Government will be democrat... God help us. The Democrat party wasn't founded until 1792, it wasn't even around when the Constitution was written.

Bull Puckey!!! How could he be stonewalled by a Democratic Congress when both the House and Senate were taken over by a Republican majority in the Clinton years and hung on in power through out the last 8 years?

Originally Posted by http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0407d.asp

The Republicans gained complete control of the 104th Congress (1995–1997), held on to control in the 105th Congress (1997–1999), and remained in power during the 106th Congress (1999–2001) through the end of Clinton’s presidency.

By the way, the Republican party wasn't founded until 1854. The Democratic party traces it's roots to James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, both signers of The Declaration of independence and authors and signers of The Constitution and they were both dead when the Republican party came into being. Rolling in their graves, I'm sure, at the resurgence of the Wigs they had striven so hard to rid our country of.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by old_master

There are several major factors that are contributing to the demise of the "Big 3".

1) Government, (Democrat) imposed CAFE standards, (Corporate Average Fuel Economy)

2) The UAW, which everyone knows they're in bed with the Democrats, just as all unions are.

3) Free trade agreement, again, Government, (Democrats) allowing foreign auto manufacturers to flood our market with their crap, stealing our jobs and ruining our economy. They build them here, on our soil! What a slap in the face.

4) Oil dependancy on foreign Nations: Yet again the Government, (Democrats) won't allow us to drill for oil in our own country! Instead, keep sending our money, and jobs, to foreign countries! WTF???

Everything the Democrats get their hands on goes down the toilet. Social Security, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, now the auto industry, and our 401k's are headed for the chopping block. After that will be the military when the "New", "Hope", & "Change" administration takes office. And did you see??? One of his economic advisors is Jennifer Granholm, Governor of the State with the highest unemployment rate and worst economy in the nation, Michigan! She can tell him, from experience, what DOESN'T work. Government has prooved they can't manage money, look at the national deficit, what a joke. What makes them think they can run a car company? Leave them alone! They did fine until the Gov't stepped in. The Government needs to take care of government and leave business to the private sector. That's how capitolism is designed to work. As long as the Democrats stay out of government, and the government stays out of the private sector, things will be fine. There's my 2 cents, take it or leave it!

LOL!!! That's some of the funniest shit I've ever read. Yep, the Democrats are solely responsible for the demise of the Big 3. It wouldn't have anything to do with their short sighted business models, their reliance on bloated and inefficient cash cow SUV's, their refusal to build smaller and more fuel efficient vehicles, or their complete inability to build quality products. The poor Big 3 are just victims of the liberals

Seriously though, that's funny shit

[VR43000GT]

I can appreciate that and I should have made that more clear. GM and the others also had a share in their own demise, not just the government. In fact, I would say that is the main reason. It's just that the government's agenda didn't help out any.