Mustang Vs. 350z...

[GForce957]

I have seen 1 350z ever that was any decent, its a sad state.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by GForce957

I have seen 1 350z ever that was any decent, its a sad state.

Because as nice as it sounds, the VQ35 is useless without FI, and FI on those motors is retarded expensive for not that much gain.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by TerminalVelocity

Aren't those years of 350Z low 14's? Not much for a non moded standard gt mustang to beat even much less yours...

Now if you didn't own him that would be something to talk about.

They're capable of mid 13's, stock. The 2007+ HR model had a best of about 13.1, but the high-end trap speeds (range: 104mph to 108mph) suggest that it is capable of even high 12's on a perfect day.

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Because as nice as it sounds, the VQ35 is useless without FI, and FI on those motors is retarded expensive for not that much gain.

The non-HR models are capable of high 12's with bolt-ons. Also, you can get a single-turbo deal for as low as 4500 bucks or even cheaper. Check here: http://www.turbo-kits.com/350Z_turbo_kits.html

Brand: Turbonetics
Desc: 03-05 Nissan 350Z
Type: Street/Strip
Status: IN STOCK
Price: $4795.00
Models: 6MT, 5AT & Rev Up

Those aren't the lowest prices I have seen them give, either.

With that being said, the S197s are faster than the older 350Zs by as much as the 2007 350Zs are faster than the S197s, so I guess that makes it even between both camps. Also, there are the Rev-Up 350Zs that are also capable of trapping up to 104mph, just as a normal (non-Special Edition) S197 Mustang GT is.

Sorry. Just combatting misinformation, as always.

[98BlackTransAm]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

They're capable of mid 13's, stock. The 2007+ HR model had a best of about 13.1, but the high-end trap speeds (range: 104mph to 108mph) suggest that it is capable of even high 12's on a perfect day.
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uhh, all the stock ones i've seen at the track are running 14's and 15's...maybe they could run mid 13's stock if they were 3,000 ft below sea level, it was 0º outside, and there were 50mph gusts of wind at their back. maybe.

[BlackGT2000]

I would have to pull the flag out on a stock Z pulling a 13.1... That I would have to see to believe. I like the car and all, but a 12 second car it is not.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

I would have to pull the flag out on a stock Z pulling a 13.1... That I would have to see to believe. I like the car and all, but a 12 second car it is not.

Stock 2007 350Z there, chief. Totally different animal than its predecessors. You can tell it apart from the older ones from the slight hood bulge it has. They have put down between 276 to 292 WHP, depending on how generous the dyno is.

Here's a stock one against a bolt-on '01 Cobra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6w_Q19XlAQ

That's the same driver that has since ran a stock 13.1, I believe:
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233840

The list below is just from one forum. Not all the fast drivers go to the same forums.

If you dont see your name on the list, post your timeslip in this thread and send Chris 3hree5ive0ero or I a PM letting us know. To be Verified, we need to see the timeslip or a video.

Original Thread with Time Slips

100% stock down to the tire

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED

1. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.027 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd [email protected] 1.971 60ft
3. Peak350 -------------------------07 Enth 6spd [email protected] 1.923 60ft
4. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd [email protected] 2.006 60ft
5. Bkennedy ------------------------07 Enth 6spd [email protected] 2.070 60ft
6. 2007-Z --------------------------07 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.068 60ft
7. PFI350Z -------------------------07 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.159 60ft
8. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd [email protected] 1.983 60ft
9. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.201 60ft
10. DomZ ---------------------------03 Tour Auto [email protected] 1.996 60ft
11. pistols07Z ---------------------07 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.150 60ft
12. BriGuyMax ----------------------03 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.091 60ft
13. Specv_USMC ---------------------07 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.163 60ft
14. 350zshopper --------------------07 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.198 60ft
15. 1.8T ---------------------------03 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.135 60ft
16. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.150 60ft
17. Alberto ------------------------03 Trac 6spd [email protected] 2.052 60ft
18. Screamin350Z04 -----------------04 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.089 60ft
19. gsingh350Z ---------------------07 Enth 6spd [email protected] 2.247 60ft
20. AJcool2 ------------------------04 Tour Auto [email protected] 2.127 60ft
21. Gripfordough -------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.861@ 99.36mph 2.105 60ft
22. Accordaleer --------------------07 Tour Auto [email protected] x.xxx 60ft
23. Davidv -------------------------04 Enth 6spd [email protected] 2.026 60ft
24. fishbait -----------------------07 _GT_ 6spd [email protected] 2.274 60ft
25. SOLO-350Z ----------------------07 Nsmo 6spd 13.914@_99.18mph 2.083 60ft
26. dave079-------------------------03 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.130 60ft
27. 350JAR -------------------------04 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.259 60ft
28. Integrity ----------------------03 Tour 6spd [email protected] 2.140 60ft
29. Faithmassive -------------------07 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.228 60ft
30. cp79shark ----------------------07 Nsmo 6spd 14.017@_97.83mph 2.152 60ft
31. carlos067 ----------------------06 Enth 6spd [email protected] 2.118 60ft
32. Mid117 -------------------------06 Base 6spd [email protected] 2.217 60ft
33. ART_ ---------------------------05 Base 6spd 14.097@_99.35mph 2.145 60ft
34. Bigo109 ------------------------03 Enth Auto 14.145@_96.97mph_2.077 60ft
35. EFLoW --------------------------06 Base 6spd 14.227@_97.89mph_2.050 60ft
36. TopNotch -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 14.288@_99.80mph_2.191 60ft
37. Jonny Boy ----------------------06 _GT_ 6spd 14.297@_99.50mph_2.285 60ft
38. TyWinter -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 14.375@_98.48mph_2.215 60ft
39. TheKinn ------------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.393@_99.49mph 2.357 60ft

I mean seriously. I've been gone for damned near two years, and the same ignorance and arrogance still abounds here?

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by 98BlackTransAm

uhh, all the stock ones i've seen at the track are running 14's and 15's...maybe they could run mid 13's stock if they were 3,000 ft below sea level, it was 0º outside, and there were 50mph gusts of wind at their back. maybe.

I've also spent a day at the track, where all the stock(ish) Mustang GTs from New Edge and older couldn't break 15's (AZ summer). What's your point?

[98BlackTransAm]

my point, chief, is that comparatively all of the other stock cars were running a lot closer to what they should've been. the stock 05+ mustang gt's were for the most part still all running mid to high 13's, the srt-4's were running low 14's, the stock ls1 vehicles were all in the 13's. obviously shitty track conditions don't reflect accurate times for what the cars are capable of getting, but that wasn't the case.

to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe every single 350z driver i've ever seen at the track just sucks ass at driving.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

The non-HR models are capable of high 12's with bolt-ons. Also, you can get a single-turbo deal for as low as 4500 bucks or even cheaper.

12s arent fast. That is marginally quick. And the Speed3 (which I'm trying to get rid of, so don't jump on my nuts about me being a fan boy or anything), will cut 12s with a test pipe, 18 pounds, and sticky tires up front.

Zs are ok. Nice little car. Over rated if you ask me. For the money I'd pick alot of other cars first. I've only run one Z in a three way with a very nicely done RSX at the same time. Neither I nor the RSX were impressed with the headlights.

[UnderEstimate Me]

Ive seen a stock 07 350z run a 13.3 at Infineon.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I mean seriously. I've been gone for damned near two years, and the same ignorance and arrogance still abounds here?

Um...no. Good job, some excellent driver ran a 13.1. Heres a fucking cookie. Of that entire list, 6 are faster than a 13.5. Every time on that list from 6 to 39 is a 13.5 or slower. Thats not a 13.1 car, thats a 13.1 driver. I would expect you to know the difference. You've been gone for damned near two years and you still think you know everything?

[BullDog71ss]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

I've also spent a day at the track, where all the stock(ish) Mustang GTs from New Edge and older couldn't break 15's (AZ summer). What's your point?

I'd stab myself in the face if I went to the track and couldnt dip into the 14's with my car. Those sort of times are shameful, even for a very novice driver on the hottest night.

I did find out however that my trap speeds drop as much as 6 mph at Firebird when it's 100+ degrees. In the winter I was trapping 101-102 mph bone stock, about a month ago I was trapping a whopping 95-98 mph and hitting the 14.6-14.8 range. But still no 15 second runs...and I'm not even a very good driver.

Heatsoak is a bitch.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Um...no. Good job, some excellent driver ran a 13.1. Heres a fucking cookie. Of that entire list, 6 are faster than a 13.5. Every time on that list from 6 to 39 is a 13.5 or slower. Thats not a 13.1 car, thats a 13.1 driver. I would expect you to know the difference. You've been gone for damned near two years and you still think you know everything?

1. I'm talking capabilities here, kemo-sabe.
2. Do you SERIOUSLY think a "12-second driver" will get a fucking 12-second run out of a stock Civic? Think about what you said. It doesn't matter how fucking godly your driving is, if a car isn't capable of something, you won't get it there. OBVIOUSLY, the 2007 350Z is capable of low 13's.
3. I don't know everything. But I sure know enough, where my fucking prejudice against certain cars won't allow me to absorb straight fucking numbers, as opposed to sitting there, making insanely idiotic remarks to downplay the facts.

You were a fucking BMW fanb01 for the longest time; Isn't an E46 M3 a mid to low 13-second car in most people's minds? Especially an SMG, where shifts are less of an issue.

With that intro being said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtHWriSGhOU

Originally Posted by BullDog71ss

I'd stab myself in the face if I went to the track and couldnt dip into the 14's with my car. Those sort of times are shameful, even for a very novice driver on the hottest night.

I did find out however that my trap speeds drop as much as 6 mph at Firebird when it's 100+ degrees. In the winter I was trapping 101-102 mph bone stock, about a month ago I was trapping a whopping 95-98 mph and hitting the 14.6-14.8 range. But still no 15 second runs...and I'm not even a very good driver.

Heatsoak is a bitch.

Is your Mustang a "New Edge or older?" Think about what you just said. Consider that New Edge GTs (99-04), are generally about half a second slower than your S197 GT. Get it now?

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by UnderEstimate Me

Ive seen a stock 07 350z run a 13.3 at Infineon.

Was the driver pedalling it along with his feet, Flintstones style? Apparently, it's all about the driver.

John Force is single digits kinda driver. Maybe he can run 9's with a stock Toyota Corolla.

[UnderEstimate Me]

I can see what both of you guys are trying to say. When people ask me what stock srt-4's run I tell them high 13's, low 14's even though some people have ran as low as 13.6 with a stock car.

Can we at least agree that 07's are capable of low 13's stock? And no thats not too fast, but its more power than youll ever need in anything other than a straight line. Which is exactly what the 350z wasnt designed for.